Ala hazrat on Pakistan

Ever read the sachar commitee the status of muslim is no better than the dalits! You indian
muslims have no strength in your own country what you need is a jinnah!!!
But woh nahi wapas aane wale!!! I bet you even believe in so called hindu muslim bhai bhai concept!! And yes ala hazrat was opposed to this idea
Why dont you ever go to kashmir and see that the real terrorists are the hindu army, the militants are freedom fighters, if they are wahhabis why do people celebrate milad in srinagar?

 

I recommend all of you to read some books on Partition and biographies of Jinnah and Nehru. And academic studies not biased "books" by Sunni ulema which hand pick facts to fit a predetermined agenda. Yes, the Deobandis were overwhelmingly anti Pakistan movement and yes the Ahle Sunnat were overwhelmingly pro Pakistan but it can be argued that they were deceived. These ulema were pro Pakistan because they thought Jinnah was fighting for a theocratic state and in reality he was a secularist who just wanted a separate homeland for the Muslims. And most of the preeminent figures of the Ahle Sunnat who were from the Indian side STAYED IN INDIA after Partition included most of the Bareilly Sharif lot.

Read these books:
http://www.amazon.com/Indian-Summer-Secret-History-Empire/dp/B002KE465Y/ref=pd_sim_b_1

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Partition-Making-India-Pakistan/dp/0300143338/ref=pd_sim_b_5

http://www.amazon.com/Shameful-Flight-Years-British-Empire/dp/0195393945/ref=pd_sim_b_4

http://www.amazon.com/Sole-Spokesman-Pakistan-Cambridge-Studies/dp/0521458501/ref=pd_sim_b_2

http://www.amazon.com/Jinnah-Partition-Independence-Jaswant-Singh/dp/0195479270/ref=pd_sim_b_3

http://www.amazon.com/Jinnah-Pakist...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271608164&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Nehru-Tryst-D...=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271608201&sr=1-6

If you read these you will find that both Jinnah and Nehru were upper-class, completely Anglicized, Anglophobes who were as far removed from the masses (and the ulema) as it was possible to be. Jinnah´s initial dream was to become a thespian (!) and he couldn´t speak Urdu properly, drank whisky, whereas Nehru famously declared, "I will be the last Englishman to rule India!" It is sad to see how, since their deaths, the common masses of both India and Pakistan have virtually beatified them, especially in Pakistan. Yes, the creation of Pakistan was an amazing achievement but dont let that cloud your judgements of the man. The other person in this trio, Gandhi, has been beatified in India and in the West by the masses although he was a crackpot who gave enemas to little girls and slept naked with his nieces. He also was a racist bigot who hated negroes. Don´t let facts get in the way of your emotions though. All three of them were basically more at home amongst the upper class English than amongst those whom they purported to represent.

 

hey, you pakis (!), leave brother abu hasan alone! he is speaking the truth. its easy to be so nationalistic when you´re actually living cosy lives in london, birmingham, manchester, etc. I bet most of you of pakistani descent who are living in the UK will not go and live in Pakistan so why do you expect Abu Hasan or the Indian Muslims to? I´m a Pakistani and proud of it but I try to be rational and honest. Yes, India has got problems and some Indians do hate Indian Muslims but I´m sure there are Indians who have no problems with Muslims either. There are 150 million Muslims in India and the BJP have already been in power at a national level but we haven´t seen any significant drop in the population of Muslims! I bet you if you did a survey most Indian Muslims would prefer to remain in India than move to Pakistan.

You know why? Because culture and land is more important for most people than religion is when push comes to shove.

 

Abu hasan when shiv sena and bajrang dal come to your house to burn you and rape your women thab pata chaleyga how welcome you are in hinduuuuustaan! Ever read the sachar commitee the status of muslim is no better than the dalits! You indian
muslims have no strength in your own country what you need is a jinnah!!!
But woh nahi wapas aane wale!!! I bet you even believe in so called hindu muslim bhai bhai concept!! And yes ala hazrat was opposed to this idea
Why dont you ever go to kashmir and see that the real terrorits are the hindu army, the militants are freedom fighters, if they are wahhabis why do people celebrate milad in srinagar?

 

Brother abu hassan why dont you come to pakistan and see what the reality is, most of the problems in pakistan security wise is all thanks to you country and raw spies who are planning to destabilise pakistan. Abu hasan i thought u were different to other typical indians but u proved me wrong u also buy in to their propaganda. Why dont you go to gujarat and see the plight of muslims there! Pakistan banaya tha! Pakistan bachayenge!

 

yet another baseless accusation - if your comment is aimed at me, that is.

i am not anti-pakistan. though, i firmly believe that the creation of pakistan (as a separate state - a geographical entity) was a strategic mistake by/for muslims. if you keep the emotional element out of this (and self-centred viewpoint) you will see that it was not a feasible project from the start.

to wit, if the punjabi/sindhis were to migrate to south india (kerala and tamilnadu?) leaving everything (including zamindars and their vast swathes of land), and this was the new muslim state called pakistan, how many of you 'pakistanis' would have migrated?

and as of now, what is ratio of local and migrated muslims in pakistan?

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where muslims in the past expanded their reach by GOING into kafir lands and establishing islam, what wisdom is there in abandoning an already established muslim presence (millions of masjids and muslim graveyards spread over such an expanse) to re-settle in a smaller geographical area?

we are roughly about 300 million muslims in india (of all stripes, including namesake muslims where exactly in pakistan would you settle us? we have seen how badly bangladesh (or east-pakistan) was handled by the elite of the newly-formed pakistan and what happened thereafter.

if it is islam that is paramount, then bangladesh is a muslim country too isn't it? why call them traitors?

pakistan is unable to provide jobs to its current citizens, what about additional millions? (assuming our ancestors would have all migrated to pakistan.) ironically, it is the remaining muslims in india who act as a deterrent for military misadventures against pakistan by ANY indian government. if it was not for muslims in india, then there would not be any 'secular' party; only varying shades of saffron. in other words - a significantly bigger israel (anti-muslim) sitting next door to pakistan. just like a wholly jewish state, we would have a wholly hindu state.

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it is true that most jihadi outfits in kashmir have links back to wahabi-deobandi-maududi schools. can you name a few jihadi groups in kashmir which are sunni-sufi (or as we are labeled 'barelwi'?).

unlike wadood, i do not have extensive knowledge of every place on earth. except the cities i have lived in and observed (which are few), i cannot speak first-hand of other places nor with certainty. i might have made a passing comment but you should not take my word for it; i have never been to kashmir, so obviously, i haven't interviewed every jihadi group there is, nor those supporting them worldwide.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

Assalaamu 'Alaykum

Correct me if I am wrong, but I read in "Hayaat-e-Mufti-e-Aazam" that Huzoor Mufti-e-Aazam Rahmatullah 'Alayh did support for a separate Muslim Nation, With Shariah as the Ruling.

Yes Pakistan was formed But Shariah was never implemented there. maybe that is the reason why Huzoor Mufti-e-Aazam Hind Rahmatullah 'Alayh Never Went to Pakistan.!

 

Wadood bhai i advise you to watch a documentary called the final solution it tell you the reality of thr plight of muslims in india after the gujarat genocide!!

 

abu hasan said that the jihad in kashmir is wahhabi zealot led. That is so untrue.

If that is the case, then the freedom fight in palestine is also wahhabi zealot led.

There is no difference between kashmir and palestine today.

The way the zionists occupy palestine, is the same exact way 700,000 Indians hindu/sikhs occupy kashmir

abu Hasan glosses over the FACT that there are 10 million Kashmiris and their descendents in Pakistan, particularly from Jammu. They cannot go back to India [Kashmir], why? Because Jammu [has to remain Hindu], and being Muslim, they are labelled as Pakistani over there.

North India is not the same as south India. Punjab is not the same as UP or Bihar nor Gujarat.

 

I will tell you why abu hasan is so anti-pakistani

Because he believes in four wrong ideas:

1) He glosses over the Hindutva boiling in India, RSS, and massive pre-planned Islamic massacres in East Punjab, Delhi, Jammu, and Rajasthan in 1947.

2) He glosses over the fact that it was his mahatma gandhi, the non-brahman bania, and nehru, the pervert who created Pakistan, NOT THE MUSLIMS nor Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Jinnah NEVER WANTED INDIA DIVIDED, merely autonomy for Muslim majority provinces. Abu Hasan comes from Hindu majority areas in southern India. It were the Hindus who wanted to remove half the Muslim population of India. Ask yourself this question:

Why did the Sikhs kill the Punjabi, Delhi, Dogri, Rasjasthani Muslims in 1947? Few Hindus were involved in much of the area. And then look at WHO conducts what abu hasan calls riots [the Dalits].

Another question: WHO were the guys dancing on the top of Babri Masjid? Dalit or High Caste Hindu.

3) He believes because Pakistan was created, the Muslim life in India became in danger. Then what about the CONSTANT, CONSTANT hindu propaganda against Islam over the media, because of Pakistan? or because of somnath, sidhpur-patan?

4) He believes Pakistan started interfering in Indian affairs in the 1990s. Actually, Pakistan has been the enemy of India, since 1948. And its intelligence agencies have been all over India since before the 1960s war. Don't dare ask the question about Indian interference into Pakistan and Afghanistan. The trouble makers in Pakistan are none other than Indian agents, ask a local pakistani villager who sits quietly watching what is happening from afar.

Ask, why does India have 700,000 jat/gujjar/khatri almost hindu/sikh army personnell in a Kashmir area of only the size of banaskantha district of Gujarat? [4 million dardic kashmiris]

 

In this interview Syed Sahib discusses the formation of Pakistan and the Sunni Ulama that were involved. He discusses the role of Ala Hazrat and his khalifas too:

http://www.jilanimedia.com/links/shaykh sayyid abdul qadir jilani/Creation of Pakistan - Part 3.html

 

abu fadl bhai, can you please name some of these books thanks!?
btw why is abu hassan so anti pakistan???

 

Ala Hazrat did support the creation of a separate country for Muslims. The details can be found in all books written on the history of Pakistan written by Sunni Ulama.

His khulafa also supported it and his son Mufti Mustafa Raza Khan actually set out to move to Pakistan but was stopped and requested by people not to go because of his father's mazar and darsgah being present there.

 

http://www.sunniport.com/masabih/showthread.php?t=1890

 

brothers i advise you to visit this link regarding this topic, i have asked many of my sunni elders and scholars and they believe that he supported us. What a lucky nation we are that the mujjadid ala hazrat is with us and we have his prayers with our nation. http://www.thezamzam.com/ahmed-raza.php this gives clear proof!!! please read it especially those who oppose the two nation theory!!

 

saamihuni ya ikhwan, but why single out Pakistan as being made by the will of Allah, when anything and everything including the kufr of individuals is by the will of Allah? There is nothing wrong with the statement in itself of course, but it cannot be used as an argument as to whether the creation of Pakistan was a correct decision or not. (Note: I don't have an opinion on the matter, since I know nothing about the politics and the situation).

 

But does that mean he supported the theory? Bcoz i know that he was against the congressi mullahs like thanvi and maududi. Do you know what his views on gandhi were?

 

Yes I stated earlier Syeddi Ala Hadrat may have commented on the two theory state but nothing directly in regards to Pakistan.

 

Brother are you sure, because he may have commented on the two nation theory a separate muslim state?? That idea came up much before pakistan was made by the will of allah

 

Syeddi Ala hadrat radi Allahu anhu passed away in 1921, pakistan was formed in 1947, Syeddi Ala Hadrat didn't comment on the creation of Pakistan.