examining the christmas speech of prof.tahir, leader of minhaj

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  1. siyaasatdaanoN ka koii deen imaan nahin hota...bikaoo maal hoti hain yeh!
    as they might say in tapori: ganda hai par sab dhanda hai yeh!

    :D
     
  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    imam-e-minhaj translates 5:72 thusly:

    درحقیقت ایسے لوگ کافر ہوگئے ہیں جنہوں نے کہا کہ اﷲ ہی مسیح ابنِ
    مریم (علیہما السلام) ہے


    imam-e-minhaj translates 5:73 thusly:

    بیشک ایسے لوگ (بھی) کافر ہوگئے ہیں جنہوں نے کہا کہ اللہ تین (معبودوں) میں سے تیسرا ہے

    this man needs to decide whether he believes christians to be kafir or not. i don't know whether irfan ul qur'an is his own work or has he just put his name on the cover but he claims it's his, so perhaps he should read it as it seems he hasn't.
     
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  3. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    so this is where he got his love for christianity [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahir-ul-Qadri]

    they say the first 7 years of a childs life have a bearing on the rest of his life. as it says, he began his islamic education at 12 but was exposed to christianity before this. he spent 8 years at this school [1955-1963].

    there are many muslims who go to christian schools but tahir must have taken it to heart. perhaps all these padris he sits with are his old classmates!
     
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  4. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

  5. sunnistudent

    sunnistudent Veteran

    My personal opinion is that Prof Tahirul Qadri is suffering from some disease of the heart in which a person tries to make everyone happy. He has no problem in speaking lie, if that lie keeps every one happy. Or it can be the love of the world, in which a man wants to get fame and respect. There can be other reasons and other disease as well, which we can discuss later.

    I say this, because ahlus sunnah wal Jamah ( all four school of Jurisprudence) agrees that certain belief and action makes a Muslim go out of Islam. By uttering certain words, having certain belief and also committing some action a Muslim may go out of the fold of Islam. That is why, if we take any book of Fiqh , we have a chapter on murtad.Any one can take any book of Fiqh and check this.

    The Wahabbis ( Deobandis+Pseudo Salafis) also agree that certain belief and actions takes a man out of the fold of Islam.

    The Shia's also consider the same.

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    Non Muslims

    Christians- Recently in an Indian city , a man Christian died and he was not allowed by the Church to be buried in the Christian cemetery because as per Church the man did certain action which took him outside the fold of Christianity.

    Hindus-- Their" dharam" also gets" bhrust" due to certain actions. To compensate which they need to Visit their holy city ( Kashi) and feed some Brahmins.

    Qadyanis-- As per this sect ( most dangerous enemy of Islam) if a man does not consider Mirza Qadyani lanati to be a nabi , then they are outside their fold. (See writings of Mirza's son)

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    Prof Tahirul Qadri is living in a dream land ( as it happens in stories: They got married and lived ever after). He thinks every corrupt and evil sect is correct. He went so far that he called even Jews and Christians to be "Believers"!
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    Talking about tasawwuf does not make a man sufi. Neither coming on TV channel and giving long speeches. Today it is the world of media. Becoming famous is so easy. What about awliyas like Hasan al basari (rd), Juanid al baghdadi (rd) Abdal Qadir Gilani al hasani (rd) and Khawja e khawajgan Moinuddin Chisthi al husaini (rd) ? They did not have any media in their time . They live in the hearts of Muslims. People do ithal e thawab daily for these awliya.

    Alhamdulillah, there are real sufis present even in this time. When they do dhikr of AllaH-AllaH their lataif also vibrates and does Allah-Allah. When they are asleep , their breath does AllaH- AllaH. When they say AllaH all the hairs on their body get erect!!

    These are the real awliya of Allah. They say" Love every creation of AllaH,because they are the creation of AllaH.. and if you love them from this angel, then you will invite them to Islam through your behavior.. because Islam is the only way for them to be saved in the next life ( and something similar is said by Imam al Nawawi as well)


    How can everyone be correct? One who says Allah can be a lier( astagfirullah) , how can he be equal to the one follows Quran and says" ALlah is SUBHAN , free from all defect?

    How come , those who ascribe location and direction to ALlah be same as those who say AllaH is free from all necessities . The creator does not need His own creation ( space and time) for His own existence


    How can those who ascribe Son to ALlah be called as believers?

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    Ahlus sunnah wal jamah is the main body and soul of Islam. All the awliyas are from this jamah. Only scholars from ahlus sunnah have been accepted in 1400 years.

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    Followers of Prof Tahirul Qadri and Peer Syed Abdal Qadir should realize that they are being tools in the hands of the enemies of Islam ( just like wahabbism was created). This is not bringing the ummah together, but this is destroying Islam.. weakening the very foundation of Islam.
     
  6. sunnistudent

    sunnistudent Veteran

    Prof Tahir al Qadri's Urdu book " Firqa parasati ka khatma Kyu Kar Mumkin ho" ( how is it possible to end sectarianism ) is back in the Indian market after a long long time.

    This was written long back and its first edition was also published long back.
    As per author all the "sects" are correct and Muslim should unite forgetting their differences! And as per him no one is kafir ( among the sects).

    If I get time I will compare it with old edition to see , if something has been tampered or not.

    This book is very dangerous for those who do not know the basic aqida. Many youngsters read this book and say" what is harm in forgetting the differences and be united. This division is the real cause of our current situation".

    The enemies of Islam, who call themselves as 'ahlul Qur'an" also say the same thing , viz, these ahadith cause the division in ummah, so we all should stick to Qur'an only". The Wahabbis ( Pseudo Salafis) also say, that this division into four school of Jurisprudence causes division!

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    Following books are suggested :

    1. Khatary ki ghanti ( in 2 volumes) . I think only Vol 2 is uploaded on internet. ( I am busy or else would have got Vol 1 uploaded)

    2. Matla al qamarain ( available on internet)

    3. Zarbe Haidari ( on internet)

    4. Some other fatwas exposing Prof Tahir al Qadri's wrong view, also on internet.
     
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    ۗ وَلَن تَرْضَىٰ عَنكَ الْيَهُودُ وَلَا النَّصَارَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ

    ۗ قُلْ إِنَّ هُدَى اللَّهِ هُوَ الْهُدَىٰ

    ۙ وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعْتَ أَهْوَاءَهُم بَعْدَ الَّذِي جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ

    مَا لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلَا نَصِير
     
  9. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    Celebrating christmas, unity of religions, so called inter faith activities are diseases which are seeping into Sunni Islam and are being fuelled by so called leaders and scholars who are bending over backwards to show we are not extremists/terrorists and trying to please declared and 'open' kafirs.

    Its a very dangerous practice which puts people's faith at severe risk and needs to be tackled and dealt with and refuted.
     
  10. i remember reading on the website of dr gf haddad a refutation of tahir ul qadri's so-called chains of transmission and sanads but it no longer seems available.
     
  11. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    does this book have taqaridh [attestations] from sunni scholars? if not, wouldn't it be a good idea to get leading, well known and widely accepted ulama of ahlu's sunnah to write taqaridh and for them to unite against this fitna?

    it was suggested elsewhere that the fatwa against tahir ul padri should be translated into arabic and to attain fatawa from arab sunnis too.
     
  12. MubeenIqbal

    MubeenIqbal New Member

    Mufti Fazl e Rasool Siyalwi on doc T
     

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  13. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    No, because they only set him forth on a task to counter Dr Israr on simple Aquida issues and contemporary issues. When he got too big for his boots they advised and admonished him. He did not take their admonishing and then his fitna began.

    It is true. Those who have knowledge of hadith and its transmission will detect it when Tahir drops his ijazat to an unsuspecting public.

    Yes you are right.

    I don't think Minhaji's can defend this nonsense of Tahir.
     
  14. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    jazak Allah khayr. my apologies for the derailment.
     
  15. abdarrashid

    abdarrashid Active Member

    with due respect to our ulama could we hold them responsible for this?
     
  16. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    these are all tertiary items brothers, it is best to keep your focus on the title of this thread which is a primary item. The weight of the sanad does not really matter, the individual MUST be measured against the Qur'an and the Sunna and the precedent set by the pious predecessors.
     
  17. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    I have heard the above from Allama Rasul Bakhsh Sa'idi, Mufti Yar Muhammed Khan and other contemporary Lahori Ulama of Professor. Also people who were in Punjab University in the 70's and 80's.

    Here is the Tahir's supporters reply to the claim that he never done dars e nizami:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kq_bai7Lf4
     
  18. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Well those are ijazat in hadith and general ijazat. Anyone who is a student knows that many U'lama dish out ijazat without testing the individual. Some gave ijazat based on his fame and work via the means of his organisation 'Minhaj ul Quran'.

    There is one particular ijazat which was given to Tahir ul Qadri with a forged chain. This forged chain is circulated amongst the contemporary Ulama of Makkah as a test. Anyone who boasts of this chain it is understood he is jahil. This chain was given to Tahir who thought/thinks it is genuine.
    Tahir ul Qadri boasts with this chain but students and scholars of the science of hadith make a mockery of him. He has become a laughing stock.
     
  19. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    now watch the minhaji, deobandi styled defense.
     
  20. abdarrashid

    abdarrashid Active Member

    whose observations are these?
    if you dont mind me asking.
     

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