Awliya being in more than one place - Help Needed!

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  1. .:Amatullah:.

    .:Amatullah:. Active Member

    I have never been in their library...thought that was obvious. Yes, I do have a copy of THEIR book, the one which is in THEIR library; Marginalia on Sahih Al-Bukhari of Ala hazrat. Hence I was able to confirm, HSBT have this book and the writing is not legible.


    Del Boy: It's a love story and a who done it!
    Rodney: Everyone knows who done it! There’s 30 dead people with Rhino tramps all over them, there's a lock up with 2 foot pile of Rhino dung and Charlton Heston suspects the butler!
     
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    ^i'll have to somehow side with sherkhan here, brother ks.

    if you think/know 'Amatuallah' is a guy posting under a sister's name or is perhaps a closet wahabi/deo or a closet rafidi from yarafidi or someone like that pretending to be a Sunni sister, or you know of some cunning and twisted behind the scene stuff she's orchestrating - it's best to talk about it openly, so that all the readers are on the same page.

    there was absolutely zero need for you to make that sarcastic post # 6. while in the usul al-hadith thread, her tone sounded like she was being unnecessarily aggressive/defensive, she wasn't being rude or looking for a fight or anything on this thread.

    it really wasn't very pleasant reading that post of yours. just my 2 cents.
     
  3. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    You're grinding an old axe. For all your trapping of fine knowledge, you haven't learnt how to behave.
     
  4. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    see the materialist, luxury loving, mindset. no wonder he can't understand spiritual matters. he wants to become a wali so that he can chill at home with his wife and kids!! i think this guy should contribute here.

    "excuse me sir, i know a very good reason to support human-cloning: i want to chill out with my wife and kids at home while my army of clones go around giving dawah globally and maybe pray and fast on my behalf while i go on a safari to africa. hey sir, is that possible? i'm ready to pay anything. afterall, once my clones are ready i can have them work and earn for me while i chill out with my wife and kids at home......please sir please"

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    the above cartoon not withstanding, i've heard the sayyiduna Gawth-al-azam (radhiAllahuanhu) would deliver sermons at multiple places simultaneously. someone check Bahjat-ul-Israr.

    wassalaam.
     
  5. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Maybe that's how you were in the HSBT library? A karamat?
     
  6. ahlus-sunnah

    ahlus-sunnah Veteran

    MashahAllah...
     
  7. .:Amatullah:.

    .:Amatullah:. Active Member

    This says it all. If the guy isn't going to believe this about the Best of Mankind (upon him be peace) then he definitely isn't going to accept it about the Awliya.
     
  8. .:Amatullah:.

    .:Amatullah:. Active Member

    Imam Al-Suyuti was asked about an issue of divorce which involved a person being in numerous places at once and the possibility of this. He wrote the aforementioned epistle as a reply which he begins by saying:

    "I say: Many great Imams have endorsed the possibility of that [multiple presence in one time] including: Al-Allama 'Ala Al-Din Al-Qunawi commentator of Al-Hawi, Shaykh Taj Al-Din Al-Subki, Karim Al-Din Amili Shaykh of Al-Khanqa Al-Salahiyya, Safi Al-Din ibn Abi Al-Mansur, Abd Al-Ghaffar ibn Naw Al-Qawsi author of Al-Waheed, Al-'Afif Al-Yafi'i, Shaykh Taj Al-Din ibn 'Ata Illah, Al-Siraj ibn Al-Mulaqqin, Al-Burhan Al-Abnasi..."

    He then forwards three explanations as to how this multiple presence happens before listing what the Imams have said regarding this issue. Here is a link to the text:

    http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?flag=1&bk_no=130&ID=237
     
  9. .:Amatullah:.

    .:Amatullah:. Active Member

    His illogical concerns can be answered logically. So how does the Angel of Death take numerous lives simultaneously? With modern technology (T.V.) one can appear in multiple places (T.V.) (Taken from Madani Mudhakara of Shaykh Ilyas Al-Qadiri) so does that mean T.V is greater in rank than Ibn Uthaymeen who could not be in numerous places in one time? What about the Jinn? Any way...

    Imam Jalal Al-Din Al-Suyuti has an epistle discussing this entitled المنجلي في تطور الولي
    which is in his Al-Hawi. The Imam lists many towering figures of Islam who not only considered this multiple presence possible but they also attributed this miracle to the awliya.
     
  10. ahlus-sunnah

    ahlus-sunnah Veteran


    Can I request Sidi Abu Hassan and other knowledgeable brothers to pleasehelp me to answer this because we recently posted?

    ‎''I named my first son after my father, the great erudite scholar, thegreat gnostic, Shaykh Ibrahim al Yaqoubi. He was the culmination of shari'ahand haqiqa in his time. I would need a few hundred pages to document themiracles of my father. To sum up, throughout my life with him, every day Iwitnessed a few miracles happening to me and to his students: being at several places at the same time ''

    Now when we posted this a Salafi who presents on Ramadan TV, wrote this:

    I too am interested in learning the ways of being in multiple places at thesame time..... Although would i have to pray multiple asr salah or would 1 besufficient if i was present in many places at asr time? And if i broke my wudhusay while delivering a khutbah could i multiply myself and quickly make wudhuas another me or does each individual me need to make wudhu....... It would behard as an awliya because there is no fiqh establish on a multipleexistence..... Also if i died as on existence do all of the other ones die andis their multiple janazas or just one? Lastly Allah s.w.t didnt make theprophet be in 2 places at once would that make one higher than a prophet oh andone more could i make an army of me's to give dawah globaly while also chillingat home with my wife and kids while i am also working and studying..

    Or did someone make it up...

    Can you please help me to write a reply to this individual?

    JazakAllah Khair
     

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