deobandi response to "the killer mistake"

http://marifah.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3191&st=15#entry29742

 

http://reliablefatwas.com/deceptions-distortions-abu-hasan/#more-3076

i think this guy's trying a sleight of hand here at unsuspecting people.

 

Dev kai bando se humko kya garaz
Hum hai Abd-e-Mustafa phir tujhko Kya!

Teri dohzakh se toh kuch cheena nahi
Khuld mai pohcha Raza phir tujhko Kya!

 

but then associate yourslef with nanotvi who also wished to be among the dogs of Madīna; is there any exemption mentioned for nanotvi in those ahadith you quoted.

no doubt TKM has given you guys real sever pangs that no meter can measure , but be prepared to receive some more inshaAllah.

and keep calling us [madinay kay] kuttay, we'll feel pride in it, no doubt it would be disgusting for your iman.

 

Even I've heard a deobandi attacking a sunni barelwi for the use of the word dog. What will, then, the deobandi say to the following lines from Nanotavi:

"Amidst the waves of hope and fear do I cling to the ship of hope,
That I also be considered amongst the dogs of Madīna. "

(ref: Fadhaile durood by Kandhlavi)

 

It seems nothing positive will EVER come out of deobandi shameless bloggers; they have marked themselves, taken a camp; so don't bother about what they say (i.e lie about) .........it seems they are now not protecting their "elders" - but protecting themselves - for these are their OWN beliefs.

لَا تَعۡتَذِرُواْ قَدۡ كَفَرۡتُم بَعۡدَ إِيمَـٰنِكُمۡ*ۚ
“Do not feign excuses, you have turned disbelievers after becoming Muslims”;

And let them burn in their jealousy for the incendiary has been dropped on their paper idols.

وَإِذَا خَلَوۡاْ عَضُّواْ عَلَيۡكُمُ ٱلۡأَنَامِلَ مِنَ ٱلۡغَيۡظِ*ۚ قُلۡ مُوتُواْ بِغَيۡظِكُمۡ*ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمُۢ بِذَاتِ ٱلصُّدُورِ

and when they are alone they chew their fingers at you with rage; say, “Die in your frenzy!” Allah knows well what lies within the hearts.

just wait for a few days until they have exhausted themselves hoarse and stupidly found out changes (if any) that need to be made to the text of TKM - we will still say "go to hell".

thanks to sidi abu Hasan: the truth has been (further) manifest.

 

just letting know, that post #27 was only to answer faqeerkhan's ranting about alahazrat's couplet. i don't intend to answer any personal attacks. in-sha'Allah.

 

actually, faqeerkhan is called a dog in the hadith. he and his biradari are called: "kilab an-naar"

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and 'scholars' who blaspheme against the prophet SallALlahu alayhi wa sallam or those dandy 'scholars' who spend their energies to exonerate such ashqiya and even resort to lies - all to exonerate the blasphemers of the Prophet SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. such people are called dogs in the qur'an.




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when alahazrat said "tujh se kuttey hazar phirtey haiN," it was a metaphor for a humble servant of the Prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam.

if that munafiq has guts, let him call khalil ambhetvi "a person who cherishes donkey-urine" on that blog, because khalil claims that he even respects the urine of that donkey upon which the Messenger sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam sat. but the munafiq won't; and the devbandi who runs that blog will not allow any such criticism of khalil ahmed; all their ire is reserved for alahazrat.

 

@abu Hasan - jazak Allah khayr

in any case, my aim was not to engage in any communication with the guy. this guy's really off his cuckoos and his manic-depressive envy and jealousy for people more learned than him have sent him into a major panic mode

his shameless, ugly lies, are open for all to see. he quotes me talking about the Beloved of Allah, the Blessed Prophet, 3alaihis salam, and then lies thusly:

he firstly doesn't understand metaphor, then quotes ahadith with rulings on actual dogs

it is futile to talk to juhalaa who have comprehension & reasoning problems.

 

no, no, don't disrespect their imam e ahlussunah, the ghakkhaDvi, by calling him their brother.

 

ya abd al-Qadir.

if you shout and call him names, it will only prod him. you don't heed my advice, but will you heed the advice of the qur'an?

 

actually that abu jahal who likes to call himself abul hussain is himself a big naked liar and delusional.

firstly he himself quotes me, where i said clearly that i had never heard of this mawlana

i said, and abu jahal quoted me:

despite that abu jahal lies against me by saying

what denial? - i said clearly i don't know this mawlana or anything about him or what he wrote.

abu jahal needs to be reminded again that deen defines people. people don't define deen. if anyone endorses tashbeeh and tajseem, he is guilty, just like they are when they say that Allah's speech is created and can be true or false!

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he says:

everyone knows this little abu jahal? just how famous is this guy?

if he is not deobandi, why is he barking on deobandi blogs and forums waving pom poms for them?

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this jahil has a fascination with a couplet of Ala Hazrat where he calls himself a dog of the Prophet, 3alaihis salam.

we say proudly - we prefer and consider it good fortune to be loyal dogs owned by the Beloved of Allah, while this guy takes pride in being crowned a king by iblis himself!

the dog owned by the pious as'haab al-kahf is not mentioned distastefully in the Quran, but kings like nimrood and fir3awn are!

it is futile explaining loyalty to someone like him.

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as for the Shafi3iy sheikh, Barzanji -

i'd like abu jahal to produce the Arabic manuscript of the book before we can entertain his cries.

he was caught out when he brought in Alawi al-Maliki and saw that his deobandi brothers called him a bigger deviant than Ala Hazrat

 

marifah.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3191&st=15

 

This is the sense I intended :

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/throw+one's+toys+out+of+the+pram___1

I take your point though the entire edifice of deobandiyat is built on such obfuscation

 

no, he has picked up his real tools that he has inherited from his deobandi 4fathers. He is doing same tricks like he used to be on this forum before, and that is all they've got.

 

yes, you had to add this, but have you modified your own blog

and what about shaykh Muhammed Alavi, was he muslim or mushrik, for the time bieng? Make up your mind, he believed in ilm al -ghayb of the prophet sallAllahu alaihi wasallam. Who do you want to declare a mushrik, rashid ganghi or ismayl dehlavi or shayk alavi, for the time bieng of course.

 

He really has thrown all of his toys out of the pram.

Though quite how he believes his totally irrelevant outbursts help him in respect of the matter at hand remains a mystery.

 

Hahaha, it is really fun to read abul hussain's replies, he has gone so wildly crazy.

prove what lies have you caught?

But, it is impossible to talk to doebandis. KhatamAllahu àlā qulūbihim.

Keep barking, every sane person can see that you'r just BARKING.

 

actually, noori bhai already pointed out an error in my translation of khalil ahmed's passage in his mail early in the morning. i translated:

The extensiveness of knowledge for Satan and the Angel of Death is proven by scriptural proof;
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and it should be:

This extensiveness of knowledge for Satan and the Angel of Death is proven by scriptural proof;
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the devbandi may never commit any error in arabic - and all deobandis become proficient in arabic grammar as soon as they are associated with deoband such that, no deobandi work has ANY grammar mistake NOR any deobandi translation/transliteration has EVER a grammar mistake. we challenge anybody to prove that any deobandi has ever committed a grammar mistake - any of you can challenge a deobandi mulla you encounter to read any arabic text, and they will NEVER make a mistake - if they ever make a mistake, send it to the deobandi blogger.

لسان فصيح معرب في كلامه * فياليته من حسرة العرض يسلم
وما ينفع الإعراب إن لم يكن تقى * وما ضر ذا تقوى لسان معجم​

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the poet was lamenting those people who take extra-care to be perfect in speech but do not worry about character; and what would he say about such people who commit/defend blasphemies!

but mr.sibawiyh, urdu is our mother tongue and we suppose we can understand it fairly well - even though we don't claim `ismah or unerring proficiency. so go ahead and show this passage to anybody who can speak urdu and ask them what this means: shayTan aur malak al-mawt ko yeh wus'at naSS se sabit huwi.

 

sherkhan noted rightly, the moderator saad, writes

if he is more bid'ati than Ahmed Raza Khan Barelwi then why this question?

but, it is not new, deobandies keep changing their positions as the situation demands.