Debates of Allama Saeed Asad

Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Noori, Mar 20, 2024.

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  1. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    okay, this clip is newer than the one i posted, so the ruling of hussam does not go back to him; however, he is not free of the blame for confusing sunni awam that there are differences on minor issues, and praising wahabiyyah and deobandiyyah as if they are our brothers, and that there is nothing wrong in mixing with or listening to them.

    May Allah Subhanu was Ta'ala have mercy on him, but i would certainly not recommend sunni awam to listen to him.
     
  2. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran




    Watch between minutes 17.00 and 18.00. Allama Sahib attesting to the kufr of the Deo elders in written form with his signature. I don't know how much more clear you want it.

    Also listen to 9:40, where Allama Sahib says he has full faith in Hussam ul Haramain.

    Also, note Ilyas Ghuman is trying to play games, which is why Allama Sahib is careful in how he replies

    In the same video at the start, he mentions the three points of contention that @Aqdas alludes to in his post.
    In another video where he sits with Ilyas Ghuman, he writes on that he agrees with the fatwa of kufr on the deo elders.
    Yes the phrase 'ghalat fehmi' can be misleading but to say that Allama Sahib believed there was only differences in 'furu' is not correct.
     
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  3. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    brother, in shariy' rulings a person's own words carry more weight than stories from other sides.
     
  4. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    In the same video at the start, he mentions the three points of contention that @Aqdas alludes to in his post.
    In another video where he sits with Ilyas Ghuman, he writes on a note that he agrees with the fatwa of kufr on the deo elders.
    Yes the phrase 'ghalat fehmi' can be misleading but to say that Allama Sahib believed there was only differences in 'furu' is not correct.He agreed with Alahazrat's fatwa. He wanted to discuss/debate this issue to settle it alongside the objections from the other side. There is a reason why the deos in private agreed but publicly did not respond. They know it would be end of them.



    Above is a link of ilyas Ghuman's version of what happened in the discussion between himself and Allama Saeed Asad. Watch between 6:30 and 7:52 where ghuman himself said that Allama Saeed Asad agreed that the statements of 4 Deobandi elders are kufr. That's coming from Ghuman himself from his own channel. Obviously, he tries to paint Allama Sahib as disingenuous but what's clear is that Allama Sahib does not think the fatwa was borne out of a 'ghalat fehmi'
     
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  5. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    well, it is not that simple, saeed asad sahib almost denied "man shakka fi kufrihi faqad kafar" by saying that the issues are only in misunderstanding, otherwise there is no real dispute. it would be very naive to defend his so-called unity efforts, after such dangerous statements.
     
  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    The wahabi is shouting a slogan: ittihad e ummat.

    How? We've been told about 73 sects. Let's not be naive.
     
  7. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Then although he probably meant well, it seems naive. Similar to what Shaykh Asrar is doing in the UK.

    When you go to their platform like this, Sunnis will think our differences are minor.

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    Mawlana Saeed Asad taught and defended Sunni aqidah to the masses in a simple way. He deserves credit for that. But we aren't blind followers of anyone: we won't defend his wrongs.

    Rather than going to deviants publicly, our ulama should fortify our own crowd and stand for something. In the end, what did Saeed Asad sahib stand for? Uniting with wahabis?

    Whereas when one thinks of a Sunni aalim, one should see that he stands for the pure methodology of our predecessors.

    Cliche: if you want to fix a wahabi, do it privately.
     
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  8. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    from 0:20


    how can we say that he used to sit with them with the intention to discuss
     
  9. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    laikin shayad tehdees e nemat kay tor par main arz karriyan, buzurgan e doband nu, buzurgan e ahle hadees nu, jinna main paDhya shayad inha bhi na paDhya ho, main daikhaya jhagDa sirf ghalat fehmiyon da ay, o asi naiDay ho kay nahi baithday, ghalt fehmiyon da jhagDa hay baqi jhagDa koi nai



    asad sahib is saying that ala hazrat and thousands of ulama did not understand well the differences- sab ko ghalat fehmi hoi, including saeed asad's father mufti amin rahimahullah.
     
  10. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    probably, it was this video (3:55 onward), and it was a deobandi jalsah, but it has been edited and the relevant part has been removed, or it may have been another video.

     
  11. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Mawlana, if that's true, I'm shocked. He has numerous clips saying our difference is on the disrespect to RasulAllah ﷺ.

    When I saw him with deviants, I thought it was to dialogue and discuss three matters, which he himself said:

    1. Definition of shirk
    2. Definition of bidah
    3. Blasphemous passages
     
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  12. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    i am sorry to disagree, but i have seen a video of him sitting on the stage of a ghayr muqallideen jalsah calling for unity and saying 'our differences are only in furu'. i don't have a link but it must be available on youtube.
     
  13. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    I agree @Aqdas that Allama sahib was one our most influential personalities in recent times, especially in the elucidation/responses to the objections against the Sunni creed. I know a few brothers had/have reservations about their interactions with leaders of the other sects in the later life but I felt they were genuine in their attempts to minimise sectarian differences without compromising on their creed. More could have been done to support Allama sahib's endeavours here because it had the potential to really expose the reality of the actual issues between us and the misguided sects.

    Finally, their way of debating had a swagger about it that was completely different to the normal shouting down and insults we see in subcontinent debates.

    May Allah most High elevate their ranks and forgive any shortcomings. Aameen.
     
  14. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Sunnis of the UK who had the fortune to listen to Saeed Asad sahib in the late 90s and 2000s will tell you he had a big impact on us.

    He had the ability to explain aqidah points that even awaam could understand. Great speaker.
     
  15. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Mawlana talks about some debates he and Mawlana Ashraf Siyalwi had with Devs at 28 mins.

     
  16. Seeker_51

    Seeker_51 New Member

    Im lookinf for:

    Allama Saeed Asad vs Muaulana Amin Okarvi - Noor/Bashr
    Allama Saeed Asad vs Mulana Amin Okarvi - Gustakh Kaun?
    Allama Saeed Asad vs Maulana Yusuf Rehmani - Ilme Ghaib
    Allama Saeed Asad vc Maulana Yunus Nomani - Various issues (dialouge)

    And Finally

    Allama Khalid Mahmood vs Maulana Inayatullah - Ilme Ghaib - Sheffield 1980
     
  17. Sword Of Allah

    Sword Of Allah New Member

    JazakAllah khair akh.
     
  18. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

  19. Sword Of Allah

    Sword Of Allah New Member

    Asalamo `alaykum wa rahmatullah

    I was just wondering if anybody know's where i can either download or buy the debates by Allama Saeed Asad (damat barkhatum aliya) on vcd?? I've heard alot about his debates but i've never heard or seen any :( JazakAllah Khair.
     

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