Debate: who is superior?

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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Actually he says Fatehpuri, that's an area in old delhi (Muslim populated), in the vicinity of Jama Masjid, Lal Qila, Chandni Chowk, Meena Bazar etc. Hazrat Nizamuddin Auliya's rahimahullah dargah is 10km away in new delhi.
     

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  2. HajiNaushah

    HajiNaushah Active Member

    Tench Bhata at 4 minutes states he used to go visit the Dargah of Nizamuddin Aulia in between lessons whilst he was studying at Fatehpur Sikri

     

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  3. Ali_Bash

    Ali_Bash Active Member

    Imām Suyūṭī considered this narration weak in his Jāmiʿ al-Ṣaghīr in fact after this ḥadīth he narrated another report;

    The first people who will be interceded for will be the people of Madinah, then the people of Makkah then the people of Ta'if and Imām Suyūṭī considered this narration to be ṣaḥīḥ [Jāmiʿ al-Ṣaghīr §2831]​
     
  4. HajiNaushah

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  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    paqs is azad-kashmiri, correct?
     
  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    It's more a Punjabi thing.
     
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Is it just me or has this tafzili and closet shia thing taken a stronghold in pakistani punjabi and azad kashmir demographic more than say urdu speakers or frontier folks and so on? (or rather, only in this demographic)

    not being muta3assib, just saying it as it is. we tanatan urdu guys have our fair share of other issues, just not this one as far as i've seen in recent past. I may be wrong and gladly stand to be corrected.
     
  8. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    روز قیامت میں سب سے پہلے اہل بیت کی شفاعت فرماؤں گا۔ پھر درجہ بدرجہ زیادہ نزدیک ہیں قریش تک۔ پھر انصار۔ پھر وہ اہل یمن جو کہ مجھ پر ایمان لائے اور میری پیروی کی، پھر باقی عرب، پھر اہل عجم۔ اور میں جس کی شفاعت پہلے کروں وہ افضل ہے اس کو روایت کیا ہے طبرانی نے کبیر میں اور دارقطنی نے افراد میں اور مخلص نے فوائد میں ابن عمر رضی اللہ تعالی عنہما سے۔

    23:232

    But where does this hadith say it's absolute? Where did Alahazrat say so?
     
  9. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran



    It was a whole conference with its single point agenda to promote the Afzaliyat of Ahle Bayt.

    No response from Syed Irfan Shah, who Nabeel claimed was refuting these beliefs when we were in our nappies. Today, as he is in the other end of the earthly life cycle, he can only stay silent as Pir Abdul Qadir mocks the years of service that Nabeel wants us to remember and honour. The irony is not lost.
     
  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    there are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics ... and then there's rifd!

    i think this rafidi did say that in so many words in his idiotic jahl-infested rambling in that video. his daleels and logic are no different than the daleels and logic of netanyahu!

    this is a hallmark rafidi belief that Sayyids post-sahaba are superior to sahaba. every sahabi is afzal to any non-sahabi wali or qutb or anyone, Sayyid or not! let these guys kiss the grave of abul a3la maududi when they make such claims.

    even within sahaba it is Sunni belief that Shaykhayn are afzal to Hazrat Ali, ridwanullahi 3alaihim ajma3een. the jahil says this is something introduced by maulwis of our times!

    it's a new joke he's come up with - Ala Hazrat did ruju3 on afzaliyat of Shaykhayn.

    a rafidi leading juhala astray!
     
  11. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    He twists the fatwa of Ala hazrat too. What would the hukm be on this belief of Pir Abdul Qadir Shah


    Have a listen to this video. It's clear he believes Syeduna Ali is superior, in fact he believes the Ahle Bayt are superior to all the sahaba.

    In a separate video from the same speech, he says the children of Syeda Fatimah are considered Ahle bayt. Won't be surprised of tomorrow if he says himself and other syeds are superior to the Sahaba too.
     
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Mahmood Hazarwi used to say this.
     
  13. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran



    Have a listen to this video. If I have understood it, It's clear he believes Syeduna Ali is superior, in fact he believes the Ahle Bayt are superior to all the sahaba.

    In a separate video from the same speech, he says the children of Syeda Fatimah are considered Ahle bayt. Won't be surprised of tomorrow if he says himself and other syeds are superior to the Sahaba too.
     
  14. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  15. Mohammed Nawaz

    Mohammed Nawaz Corrections are always welcomed with appreciation

  16. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Part 2



    didn't watch it and don't tend to be too excited about it. Just scrubbed through a few bits

    It's easy to comment from the outside and in hindsight, but Zulfiqar sahab shouldn't have:

    1. agreed to debate a low class molvi and budtameez like this moron who can't hold a civilized conversation and thinks shouting like a bus conductor will win him a debate

    2. called tahirul qadri as shaykhul islam, even as an ilzami comment. the other guy's too dumb to get it and he later on used tahir as a proof. Silver lining: this so called yasin qadri has been exposed as a dubious minhaji too along with closet rafidi
     
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  17. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

    Yasin Qadri’s argument

    1. Sayyiduna Ali is the most learned (A’lam) from the companions. This is proven from many Ahadith.

    2. The most learned is the superior (Afdal). This is proven from the Qur’an.

    3. Therefore Sayyiduna Ali is superior from all the companions.


    I was surprised he wasn’t aware of the difference betwen 1) Afzaliyyat min kullil wujooh 2) Afzaliyyat Juzwi 3) Afzaliyyat Mutlaqa.

    Sayyid Zukfiqar Shah Saheb had to explain this to him in simple terms towards the end.
     
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  18. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    that so-called yasin qadri bleeds rifd and jahalat of a streetside thug.

    also see the last 5 minutes of this video where shehenshah naqvi says in the last 10 yes he's reigned in shia khateebs from saying things bluntly... so some Sunni should ask him then before 10 yrs, they were barking against sahaba? also note he clearly says "those who hurt" Hazrat Ali & Sayyidah are not their ideals, that's a veiled and diplomatic insult not much different than how the western media, Sunnis should ask him, who hurt and how... and then the stench of his and his buddy yasin's rifd will be apparent.

     
  19. Ali_Bash

    Ali_Bash Active Member

    About time he has brought a Sunni on.
     
  20. Aqdas

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