Imam Asim cross on cake

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  1. Ethical_Barelvi

    Ethical_Barelvi Active Member

    Good business venture for both brothers.
  2. Abu Aleshba

    Abu Aleshba Active Member

    Should be 1:23:29.
  3. agent-x

    agent-x Well-Known Member

    Sorry I didnt see your post.

    I had tweeted about the "big news" before the event took place in bradford. When Molvi Asim had tweeted he had a major announcement to make in bradford.

    Molvi Adil will also be leaving JAK if he hasnt done so already and he will be teaching along side Asim and pirzadas son.

    Not sure who else will be teaching with the mentioned three.

    And yes they have registered a charity on the name of youtway I think.

    Its more than likely been registered as the charity so they can accept the donations for the place theyre interested in
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  4. Abu Aleshba

    Abu Aleshba Active Member

    At the recent event in Bradford Imam Asim said he was going to make a couple of announcements at the end.

    First was that he was back in Bradford (his home city) full-time after 9 years.

    Secondly, he would be opening a Madrassah which should be up and running in May, InshaAllah. Somewhere he can teach without restrictions from Committees. He has prepared a syllabus. He is also planning to open a youth centre where people can spend time and keep away from trouble and crime.

    May Allah Almighty Guide him and grant him success in this very necessary work.

    I was at the event but here's the video. Listen from 1:33:29 for the announcement. The recording ends early so some is left out.

    Last edited: Mar 5, 2015
  5. Adam Yahya

    Adam Yahya Active Member

    Well, since agent x first mentioned it on here and probably did not see my comment asking for clarification/more info, I decided to look into it myself.

    They will probably teach something but the major stuff will be taught by Shaykh Zulfqar Pirzada, who I am personally satisfied has very good credentials and has studied extensively across the world. I assume the young imams will also continue their studies with them as they are nowhere near finished.

    And verily Allah knows best.
  6. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    I have a similar question to his brother, Asim sahib (that I already mentioned in some other post). Why did you state that Hazrat Umar Farooq (RadiAllahu Anhu) cut the tree of hudaibiyah as people were doing shirk there (April 2014 umrah trip in case you have forgotten)? Why did you pick up this bit from google (as the wahabi's promote) instead of researching sunni literature? Do you still believe that the sahabah and the tabain were doing shirk? Some elaboration would be ideal.

    Or best since you probably would have researched the matter hopefully by now then a statement of correction on your facebook page would suffice in the hope that the people on the bus might correct themselves in case they accepted your version (or the wahabi version).
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  7. Adam Yahya

    Adam Yahya Active Member

    It is not uncommon to register a new mosque or Islamic education centre as a charity and a place a worship. Charity work will probably be the last thing they will utilise it for but it has it's benefits.
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Ala Hazrat has a beautiful tahqeeq negating the misconception that the month of Safar is jinxed. that doesn't stop so many "Barelwi" molvis rattling fabricated narrations about it. Ala Hazrat has cited Nasim Ar-Riyadh saying that the hadith "الفقر فخري" is baseless. that doesn't stop "Barelwi" molvis from pushing it forward to the awam. Ala Hazrat and Mufti A3zdham Hind have both stated as baseless and nonsensical the narrations that Allah asked the Prophet 3alaihis salam to keep his blessed sandals on during the Me3raj night. there are many more examples of stuff that Ala Hazrat's or Mufti A3zdham's tahqeeq have refuted, yet our molvis couldn't be bothered with it.

    i have witnessed it myself. i have seen so called shuyukh who can't even understand a questioner's question properly and will rattle away rote answers from unrelated masail trying to be smart. Allah forbid you tell them "mawlana sab, i know this masala. i'm asking about such and such situations where the parameters are completely changed". you might even invite a fatwa of heresy or non-Sunni upon yourself if you ever tell them that their qiyas is fasid, even with the utmost respect.

    a lot of our molvis have both ego problems as well as inferiority complexes wherein they feel offended and threatened when someone starts discussing some REAL knowledge with them apart from narrations of the karaamaat of various awliyaa (which are narrated with an air of pretense as if to smugly imply "i too am like them")

    that's because narrations of some select few anecdotes and karaamaat from the lives of Sufi saints can be beautifully packaged as fairy tales and sold to the masses. dealing with masail on ground is hard work and involves using your brain and dedication if you're half way honest to deen. if you've completely lost all sense of shame, then of course, you can say whatever comes to your mouth like tahir. you wouldn't want your audience to be inspired by the details of the everyday lives of Sufis and how they did mujahadah in the cause of learning, teaching, and applying deen, about how compliant to the Shari3ah they were, about how much sabr they did in the face of calamities. it's a lot easier to narrate some karaamaat and some abridged anecdotes about their lives and offer the awam a few naats, a few naaras, some feelgood vibes at being Sunni and latching on to the blessings of the awliyaa and a wazifa to get rich quick or bring down your blood sugar overnight*, and have them leave a mehfil as wannabe awliyaa.

    * the Quran, and duas, and awrad indeed have many benefits both in this life and the next. i'm just against the way they are packaged by the desi molvis and the environments they are presented in.

    Allah knows best and may He help out state.
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  9. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Hanafi-Maturidi

    With all due respect, what are they going to teach? dars e nizami? they havent studied it themselves, not properly anyway, if you browse through some of Adil's speeches you will find ample blunders, in one speech he mentioned a fabricated hadith but when he was informed about it, he didnt think too much of it, he was even given the reference to Mulla Ali Qari's 'Mawdu'aat', Allah knows best whether he followed it up or not. Its all good having a humongous smile on your face when the layman is unable or unwilling to verify what you say but when students of knowledge do so, the character transformation is amazing.

    One brother messaged him and advised him to address relevant issues such as Atheism and Evolution as opposed to the life of Bahauddin Naqshband رحمه الله (thats not to say there is anything wrong in doing so) but its not exactly appropiate fo be talking about Sufi saints in Universities when the Muslims who study there are constantly dealing with kssues such as atheism, evolution, same sex marriages etc etc. Needless to say, he dismissed it completely and blocked the guy on facebook, Adil Shahzad if you are reading this, then i suggest you do rigorous muta'la of hadith number 7 in Arbain Nawawi narrated by Sayyiduna Abu Ruqayya رضي الله عنه

    Allah knows best
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  10. Ethical_Barelvi

    Ethical_Barelvi Active Member

    A brother from Bradford has told me that Imam Asam and his Brother Adil Saab are opening a madrasah in Bradford, can anyone else confirm this? Also they have opened a new charity; him and his brother they have got all the paperwork via charity commission-what is the need. Crazy!
  11. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    an important point to be noted.
  12. inquisitive

    inquisitive Well-Known Member

    When a 'Nobody' slips, he slips alone.
    When a 'Somebody' slips, a million slip with him.

    Ala Hazrat advised the ulema to stay away from Haram for if the Ulema fall into Haram then the Awaam will fall into Kufr.

    There are many people who hold it permissible to watch football with the reference of people like Imam Asim. I understand your point but there's also preachers who commit fornication and adultery; if we let them be then there is nothing but harm.

    Imam Asim can watch football if he so wishes, but viewing it publicly and supporting it publicly makes him liable for criticism as he is regarded as a scholar and therefore, if there is an action of his against the Shariah then it will and can be objected against in the eyes of the Shariah.

    He has sat in Durus of Murad and JAK invite him to this day. He has no clear stance on Hanson and Keller too.
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  13. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    bother I understand what you are trying to say but the point is we are in the age of fitan and perfection is the last thing we should look for in people - preachers and masses alike. It is from the principle's of Islam to choose the lesser of the two evils facing us.

    If asim hussain is helping the youth by making them staunch sunnis or at-least keeping them from turning into salafi/deo/shia/free-thinkers/perennialists then his other faults should be pointed out in private.

    If watching football is haram, scholars should mention the ruling on it to those who listen to them so that they are not guilty of hiding knowledge or ignoring munkar but as for chastising asim publicly for it that is something to be approached with deliberation and care, if not out of concern for him then at least for the people who look up to him and listen to him.

    I don't know how effective his speeches are, that's something that'll be known only to people living in the UK AND already active in tabligh and da'wa so it is for them to decide on the best approach which ensures that the immature youth is not turned away from sunnism due to what he perceives as unnecessary nitpicking.

    But if he's promoting hanson, murad, keller et al. then that is a more serious issue which should be dealt with at the earliest. And this time if even after talking to him he persists he should be refuted publicly though civilly. Till that time the ruling on these deviants should be made known through forums such as ours and it should be pointed out clearly that associating with these people is not allowed - which I think has already been done. What's required now is affirmative action on the part of the sunni da'ees living around him or having contacts with him or his teacher. Forums can help you only so far.

    Consider this statement from Mufti Mujib Ashraf Sahib Qibla (which is either his or one of his teachers'), paraphrased not verbatim:

    "hum ne jab apne aap ko is do raahe par paya ke ya to logon ka iman bachae ya unka amal to humne imaan ko apna markaz-e-tawwjoh banaya aur amal ko Allah ki mashiyat ke sipurd kar diya"

    he is referring to a certain period of time in India when it was an either or situation with people's aqida and amal so the ulema concentrated on safeguarding their aqida and placed lesser emphasis on their amal.

    But IMHO that time has passed and with the televison and internet becoming common place people's amaal have fallen through the floor and now they are coming back in a full-circle to gnaw at their iman as well. So it's no longer advisable to ignore the amal part, both have to be emphasised equally. Moreso because with the changed times it has also become feasible to do both since the means of comunicating with the people have undergone radical changes compared to the times when travelling was more difficult and so was reaching out to people there not being satellite broadcasts or the internet or even newspapers that reached far flung villages etc.

    hope I have explained myself well. Please point out if anything is amiss and I'll correct myself. I am but a beginner student.

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  14. Adam Yahya

    Adam Yahya Active Member

    Where'd you hear this? Do you have any more details?

  15. inquisitive

    inquisitive Well-Known Member

    No one has anything personal against Imam Asim. I too agree he is doing a good job in trying to get the youth interested in the Deen but many people just "buzz" off him and there is very rarely an end product. I know 20 youth who are his biggest fans yet out of 20, not one has had the urge to go and learn his religion!

    We are not Deobandis, who overlook all the shortcomings of their scholars and elders. If it was just a one off incident then many people would overlook it but its not unfortunately.

    Just because there are bigger issues doesn't mean the smaller ones have to be ignored. This isn't how Islam works.
  16. Muslimah Madani

    Muslimah Madani New Member

    Assalamualaikum I know there are many people on here that are much more learned than me and May Allah forgive if I say anything that is incorrect but I feel like we have become people that just look for opportunities to critise others . sometimes people are just quick to say don't listen this person or this indiviual is wrong, instead of just attacking the individual it would be so much more beneficial to educate people so you allow them to make a decision just forcing your views on others can be repulse and push that person further away from the truth. it would be so refreshing to see people praising the work of others except to whom they have a bias towards .There are many major issues facing the ummah on a daily basis which are being over looked and we still stuck on the small stuff . May Allah give us all the ability to be people who bring benifit to others and not harm .
  17. Mohammed Wasim

    Mohammed Wasim AhistaChal

    Ok hundreds. Happy?
  18. agent-x

    agent-x Well-Known Member

    Huh thousands? Where? Hundreds maybe not thousands.

    If you're talking hundreds - then yes there are others. Try Kanzul Huda in Birmingham you'll find hundreds flocking on a FRIDAY night from all over the UK.

    Maybe its because of these "thousands" flocking to his events has gotten to his head and its why he's left JAK and opening his own in Bradford with Pirzadas son.
  19. ahmad786

    ahmad786 Active Member

    The voice of clear thinking and reason. بارك الله فيك
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  20. Mohammed Wasim

    Mohammed Wasim AhistaChal

    Imam Asim is doing good work for sunniyat. Sad to see we Sunnis can't continue encouraging him for his good work. I have never seen an imam able to attract thousands of young lads to come into the masjid on a Saturday night! Imam asim is a gem for ahle sunnat.

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