Abu Hasan, I have agreed to discuss with Noori, the validity of Nagpuri fatwa . At any time, you are free to join and provide shari'i evidence on the basis of which you declared Obaidullah Khan azmi, a kafir, in March 2015. Please note, this thread is not related with Nagpuri fatwa. Let this be very clear. It is altogether a different topic. The issue in this thread is , why will kufr not return on those who called Obaidullah a Kafir by name in the month of March 2015? For a while, even if I agree to your ( wrong) view that Nagpuri fatwa was correct, still the point is , Nagpuri fatwa was not on an individual by name ( shakhshi) , how can that be used to call Obaidullah a Kafir? I have mentioned this before hand, lest you or Noori say that " If the Nagpuri fatwa was correct, then why will kufr return"? So please note, even if I accept your ( wrong) view that Nagpuri fatwa was correct, still you need to prove why will kufr not rebound on those, who used that fatwa to call a muslim, a kafir by name. You also said Please tell me, how " rebounding of kufr" is related with Ismayil dehlavi and also provide reference where did Ismayil dehlavi said " tawassul and shafah" to be "kufr" and if so, why did ala hazrat not declare Ismayil a kafir? Note: Noori, please note, this has nothing to do with correctness of Nagpuri fatwa. So don't tell me to 'forget' abu hasan. As agreed, on Nagpuri Fatwa issue, I won't discuss with abu Hasan, unless it is agreed by.