Women Teaching and Interviewing Online

Discussion in 'Hanafi Fiqh' started by AMQadiri, Sep 24, 2021.

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  1. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    I understand and see value in the points made below, but I feel it’s a bit unrealistic.

    1. Girls are on social media.
    2. What they are up to: 99% put their pics up (some with full make up, some with a turban scarf with their neck showing, some with hair showing… even niqabis put their pics up). They are likely on tiktok sharing videos or FB/IG sharing pics/stories of themselves
    and their whole zindagi.
    3. Some do use it appropriately but fact remains that most girls tend to be on social media.
    4. Lots of people get most of their deeni knowledge on social media because it is accessible to them. This is why rapid Q&As that young Imams/Ustadas do on FB/IG live and stories are so popular and voguish.

    • Where else are you going to target those girls if not on platforms where they spend most of their time on?
    • Would you rather they access and follow non-sunni Ustadas and Alimah?
    Unpopular opinion: If their personal circumstances permit, Alimah/Ustadas should try to be on social media, whilst maintaining Adab. They should aim to lead by example + model how to use social media. Example: they can start by not posting pics of themselves.
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2021
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  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    as far as the west is concerned, no one's unaware. back home, some desi molvis may not be able to think outside their cities or mureed circles

    in the west, it's all about celebrity glitz in deen and subscribing to the status quo with the government and popular culture, following them into the lizard hole. which brings us to these people injecting liberal feminism into Islam

    see this feminist kafira "shaykha". how many male "shuyukh" have spoken against her?


  3. AMQadiri

    AMQadiri Seeker

    This trend is growing by the day and it is caused by some of following reasons (in addition to what was mentioned in earlier replies):

    • These ustadhas/aalimahs conduct such gatherings and live appearances with men so naturally their female followers and students will do the same
      • "Ustadha is doing it, why can't I?"
      • Social media dopamine rush due to followers, likes, etc
    • Their male Shuyukh/teachers are unaware of what they are doing. Maybe even their husbands, though I doubt it
    • Their male Shuyukh/teachers and husbands are aware and have tried stopping it but were unsuccessful (the feminist issue)
    • Their male Shuyukh/teachers and husbands are aware but don't bother trying to stop it for whatever reason
    • Their male Shuyukh/teachers and husbands are aware and encourage it - by far the worst category
  4. Sag e Rizvi

    Sag e Rizvi New Member

    What is the need for these so called Alimahs to be on social media anyway?
    These lives they do aren't just seen by women but by men too.
    You have people like nosheen gul taking photos and posting them on social media where she is with ghair mehram men.
    So then why wouldn't her female students do the same and think its ok to hang around and talk to strange men?
  5. AMQadiri

    AMQadiri Seeker

    My question to these women "scholars, aalimahs, ustadhas, etc" is, who is the greatest Muslim female aalimah and what was her method in teaching men? Why can't you follow that way?
  6. AMQadiri

    AMQadiri Seeker

    انا لله و انا اليه راجعون
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    It seems the latest in-thing is women leaders and teachers on (probably coed) Umrah trips:

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  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    He mocked the niqab/burqa calling it a beekeeper's suit sometime in the last few years (i think he said hive, but the obvious implication was attire) and many "shuyukh" in the audience laughed. This alone is enough to call him murtad as per the fuqaha - mocking the signs of Islam.

    As the hadith says, the son of Adam says something thinking it is light and in front of Allah he falls 70nyrs distance into the depths of hell!

    In the 90s, when he wanted to build a fan following, he even said non Muslim men have twisted minds and our sisters are very innocent, they shouldn't talk to them unnecessarily.

    How times change...
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2021
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  9. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I chanced across an old seerah lecture series of hanson's - in the first class, he tells the male students to keep their eyes lowered and both genders to avoid jeans and t-shirts and come attired in the traditional loose fitting clothes instead, preferably with the turban - he says that's part of adab al-ilm.

    Then things changed ...
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  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    This is an inferiority complex. Following the West in everything. Hadith about lizard hole.
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  11. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    I believe Mujaddid Alf Thani said: if ulama fall into the disliked, laity will fall into the forbidden.

    Isn't it the job of ulama to be the most cautious rather than blurring boundaries?

    What is the pressing need for women scholars to interview and have a laugh with male scholars? There ain't one. It seems this is only to gain followers and views.

    Why can't a male interview the male scholar?

    This is lack of ghayrah from the females mahrams. In fact, it could go into them being dayyuth.

    Why does a woman have to teach men? Have all the male teachers died?

    And it's no good equating it with the corporate sphere. That is outside your control. The masjid and Islamic events are in your control so that is a disanalogy.

    Ulama were there to set the standard. But nowadays, many of them will do anything to grow the cult, the following, members, students, etc.

    They may even cite fiqh books to somehow allow classes without segregation but don't they know about sadd al-dharayiy? If ulama allow this, then naat khwans will find a justification for their pop concerts. Ulama need to think about consequences.

    Also, have people not seen the harms of gender interaction? So many pirs and molwis having affairs and secret marriages, etc.

    I hear Pir Saqib Shami and Shaykh Asrar are very strict on this. They don't teach women and have strict segregation policies.
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  12. AMQadiri

    AMQadiri Seeker

    There seems to be a growing trend of female ustadhas teaching in front of men in gatherings and especially online now. Some learned women who are "aalimahs" will be interviewing male ustadhs or even scholars on YouTube and other online platforms, sometimes smiling and joking with them.

    Not really sure what the ruling is here because they claim that this is benefitting the deen and that they are only talking about the deen or related topics. Some might even claim that this is their job or "work" and try to draw the comparison to those who might work in a corporate setting (or from home) and have to converse with the opposite gender.

    Can someone shed light on this? Is there really a need for this now?

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