80 Lashes and Tafdili's

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Your bigotry and blind following, coupled with ignorance and fanaticism comes out when confronted regarding your Pirs insults on Sahabah and Awliya. You are ardently arguing regarding the eighty lashes report (a side isuue compared) and ignoring the insults your Pir has thrown at the illuminaries of this Ummah.

You do not have to watch those videos as uploaded by Muhammad Ali but can watch them on other channels of youtube etc. That is your one lame excuse. Not surprising from someone whose dad has made AQ mujaddid!!

 

You really make me laugh. Since when is the interpretation of whether it was hadd or ta'zir a matter of creed?

Unlike you or Hafiz Qadri(Mustapha Baig ibn Nisar Baig) we are not partis or blind followers of anyone in matters of creed.

 

Woah, looks like my post lit a fire.

Thankfully, I don't get embroiled in the propaganda and thankfully I'm able to see through it too.

In any case, I've stopped watching videos uploaded by Muhammad Ali & co a long time ago.

KS and Shazli, I asked two simple questions just to clarify what your position is. They are not hard or ilmi questions but if you don't or can't answer then that's up to you.

The reason I ask is because I listen to a lot of speeches of Irfan Shah Mashaddi (especially on this matter) and what you said goes against his creed.

 

Look at the quality of Ulama who have done the introduction, the cream of Pakistan:

http://www.nafseislam.com/en/Literature/Urdu/Books/ZarbeHaydree/ZarbeHaydree.htm

http://www.nafseislam.com/en/Literature/Urdu/Books/ZarbeHaydree/ZarbeHaydree.htm

Here is the quality of the other camp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny2cJSLuIXE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIGPO9GTerk

 

brilliant book, zarb haydri

 

OE said:

But i don't think many people have read it.

As for many reprints look at this:

http://www.nafseislam.com/en/Literature/Urdu/Books/ZarbeHaydree/ZarbeHaydree.htm

 

Hasnayn Shah gets his ideas from his father Mufti Azam Pakistan who also has a problem with the lashes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjS6wc1yak

http://www.nafseislam.com/en/Literature/Urdu/Books/ZarbeHaydree/ZarbeHaydree.htm

 

The issue of Tazfil should be debated! Hasnayn will be reading this if he and Maulvi agree get the cameras rolling and let them debate in Birmingham with a few people present. The murids from Walthomstow need not come to shout and disturb the peace.

 

Well they shouldn't debate the lashes athar but the actual issue of Tafdil. Hasnayn has already declined rudely once before.

And they're both from Dadyal!! Boy Dadyal produces some characters, especially Chutraw, Batley. Arra Jatta, Ratta and Potha. I think both Hasnayn and Asrar are from Potha, correct me if i'm wrong.

That would explain a lot.

 

The BMF and it's leaders should set up the debate and end this fitna. Both Maulvi Asrar and Hasnayn Shah are in Birmingham so it should happen. This should be done before Mufakkir e Islam comes back.

 

Maulvi Asrar uses a lot of Urdu and Arabic in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDqfTQxybJQ

Heres Hasnayn beating Asrar in a debate:

http://www.youtube.com/user/YanabiGroup?blend=4&ob=5#p/u/0/YfMLaJvzBrk

 

They are also saying Maulvi cannot read Arabic. He probably doesn't know English and his mother-tongue phari aswell!!

Why doesn't Hafiz Qadri, Hasnayn, M Baig and co. debate Maulvi Asrar and his team. Resolve the issue. I know Maulvi's younger brother. If the yanabi team PM me i''l pass his contact details to them and they can get the ball rolling.

Don't hide behind computer screens and come out to debate the issue like civilised human beings.

One of them start swearing on the phone the last time he was contacted!!

 

YaNabi are saying Maulvi Asrar can not read Urdu. Hasnayn Shah should teach it him and Maulvi Asrar should teach him Iman e Mufassal

 

OE said:

 

OE says:

Who are our first and second Imams he means here?

Who are our idols? And who is 'they used to'?

 

Do you differ with AbdulQadir Shah on his comments regarding Sayyiduna Muhammad bin Hanafiya radiyAllahu anhu?

Once you answer that question i will answer your query.

 

@Abu Fadl. Brother do you seriously expect me to take those individuals serious on yanabi.com? Look at SOME of what they write:

Or what OE says:

Now i want to ask you is this not irony:

Now is that respectable behaviour? This is beside the fact that he has us mistaken for some of his personal enemies.

 

Abu Fazl what do you make of Mufakkir e Islam's comment on Sayyidina Muhammad bin Hanfiya? Do you also think his two wheels are not working or do you think Mufakkir's lost his mind?

 

okay I have had a look at the thread on there (http://www.yanabi.com/index.php?/to...es-narration/page__view__findpost__p__423612). Two questions to Shadili and KS if I may...

1) Is the new position that Hadrat Ali did not prescribe a hadd punishment but rather tazeer? Because this seriously differs with Irfan Shah Mashaddi's speeches where he says it is hadd and therefore this is proof that it is qati.

2) KS and Shazli, are you saying that Sheikh Abu Yusuf said there can be eighty lashes for tazeer and he uses as evidence the 80 lashes riwayat?