the aqida of hamza yusuf

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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    It may well be possible that the sister doesn't know about the deviations of mark hanson, tim winters, tahirul padri et al.

    First ask questions, rather than assume she knows everything about all these people.
     
  2. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    Our respected and dear sister Maryam has no 'agenda'. She is a patient, hard-working and sincere Sunni.

    Here is her website: http://www.almukhtarbooks.com/

    She has written a good article explaining (to her readers) who a Bareivi is that is appropriately titled 'A rose by any other name' http://www.almukhtarbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/A-Rose-by-Any-Other-Name.pdf

    If you wish to provide her with information regarding perennialism please do so as she is currently writing a book refuting perennialism. It will in sha Allah be published very soon.
     
  3. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Please dont misguide Sunnis into believing hamza hanson is a Sunni. He is worse than keller.

    But hamza hanson is not a Sunni. It is a grave mistake putting this shaytan's name next to Sayyid Yaqubi. It makes no sense.


    I know as a fact, that Ahl al Sunnah scholars agree with eachother on what Sunni Aqida is. They agree with eachother on what Shari'at is. There is so much of evidence Sunniport has provided on the bid'a of mark hanson. It's in the archives.

    But he is a perennialist, supporter of perennialism, and is a modernist worse than ikhwanis/maududites. Did you see what he said about our Sacred Knowledge, our Shari'ah?

    I advise you not to do that from the bottom of my heart. The fanclub that follows mark hanson is not the way of Ahl al Sunnah.

    I dont know why you are singling out the poor fellow faraz, but there are other deobandi wahhabis too around Kinza Azademy.

    Personally Maryam, I feel more of a hypocrite to work with mark hanson, THAN with faraz deobandi. Fine, faraz has got aqida wrong, but at least he does not go out and attack Shari'ah and all of Islam from the Salaf to now as mark hanson does. I am sure all Sacred Knowledge guys must be reading this.

    Maryam, what is "western classical"? mark hanson and his fanclub, have made an "American Islam" and turned it into a very vague term "western classical".

    you mean regarding imkan alkidhb? as that is the only aforementioned matter here. Well it is hinted to in his writings.

    He agrees with everybody these days, did you see abdullah hamdi ali's article on Sunni-Shia-wahabi-whatever unity. I do not think a Sunni would write like that. mark hanson and abdulla hamid ali work together, and mark has a speech on it too. This forum has all this information. Its in the archives.

    Sister Maryam, I asked a few questions, and got no answers. It is very unfair for you to say I was an inquisitor for that. No one participating in that thread knows me, and Allah is my witness. We cannot question anything, when we know something is clearly wrong.

    It is about honesty, it is about being Momin. I cannot accept wrong as right.

    you mean asking simple, crystal clear questions is not our way? I am very certain, I did not attack anybody, but asked simple questions. Other brothers asked questions too.

    Imam AHmad RiDa raDyAllahu 'anhu asked questions.

    There is no truth to what the opponents say about the charge of blanket takfir against us Sunnis. I advise you to not to listen to the liar mark hanson, and other oponents of Ahl al Sunnah. They themselves are guilty of doing blanket takfir on others. How much takfir to deobandi wahhabis do on Sunnis daily around the world. We should not overlook that.

    This mentality you are talking about is the prime characteristic of the zaytuna-mark hanson fanclub.

    However, I dont know why you wrote this post now, and dont know why you are saying this. We Ahl al Sunnah are the chosen people, and we stick to our Ahl al Sunnah scholars, and deviant modernists like mark hanson is not one of them.
    Sister, our scholars fight wrong, and uphold truth and righteousness. Our scholars do not keep quiet when Shari'ah is being attacked, the Sacred Knowledge of our Habeeb SalAllahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam is being attacked.

    They infact teach us to look with an eye of hatred anything that attacks the Deen of our beloved Muhammad MusTafa salAllahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam. If we read the Shama'il of our Habeeb and we love our Habeeb salAllahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam, we have his sunnah alive in our hearts, he is alive in our heart, hayyun fi qulubina, salAllahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam, we cannot keep quiet when we see his shari'ah being attacked.

    There is no truth. Its a deobandi-wahhabi-deenport-masudkhan-fareenaAlam-zaytuna lie.

    It seems you are someone with an agenda. You knew beforehand why you came to our website. What is a "neutral" scholars????? After all that you wrote above. Please be upfront. Sunnis are honest, and upright. This is not tasawwuf.

    We on Sunniport also consider the general deobandi-wahabi awaam to be Muslims. There have been many threads on this topic. We are connected to Sunni scholars as well.

    nuh keller reiterated one of the main deobandi-wahabi aqida points. There are deobandi-wahhabi so called scholars who promote it daily. Please dont think that Sunni refutation of those deobandi kuffar is tantamount to believing all general deobandi awaam are kuffar, which is a lie you believe in, a lie told by the shayateen deobandi wahabiyya.

    So, we must be firm. We cannot accept liars like mark hanson. Our Sunni aqida is clear. There is no such thing as "neutral". This is a deenport invention.

    mark hanson is on the perennialist school. He is on the advisory board of fons vitae. It is great hypocrisy not to see that and his activities. Not to mention tj winter's affair with the scriptual reasoning project.

    we need to harsh to Ahl al Bid'ah and enemies of Shari'ah. We need to be forebearing of Ahl al Sunnah and unite with them.

    Wisdom also demands that we be sincere. No person with Iman and love of the Master of all Creation salAllahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam in his heart will accept injustice against Sunnis, and Muslims.

    AlhamdulLiAllah sister, we Sunnis do not have to remain silent as we Sunnis know what is right, and what is wrong. We can recognize it. It is apparent to anyone who sits with the Sunni scholars, even those you call as "neutral". And Allah knows best.

    Shukran,
    Was-Salaam
     
  4. Maryam Qadri

    Maryam Qadri New Member

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    Assalamu Alaikum:

    Yes, I made dua for Shaykh Hamza Yusuf and I mean it sincerely. He does a lot for American Muslims. By the grace of Allah the Exalted I have been fortunate enough to work with a handful of staunch Sunni scholars following the teachings of Imam Ahmed Raza, may Allah have mercy on him. They are very gracious toward other Ahl al-Sunnah scholars, even those that do not agree with our views on certain issues.

    To the best of my knowledge, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf has never said that lying is possible for Allah Most High or validated any of the other statements made by the Deobandi Shaykhs. I own some of his audio CDs and books, and have read a few of his articles and blog. I even intend to begin homeschooling my children using the Kinza Academy Curriculum, Insha’Allah. However, Faraz Rabbani is on their Advisory Board and this obviously made me feel like a hypocrite so I asked a leading Sunni scholar that I trust, who is very established in his field and respected by the Grand Mufti of India, may Allah preserve him, if it was hypocritical of me to purchase their Western Classical Curriculum and he said, “There is no harm in buying the Kinza material and teaching it to your children.” At the same time, I have been and will continue to teach Islamic studies using the Imam Ahmed Raza Academy Curriculum. I have not found Hamza Yusuf to be astray in any of the aforementioned matters. He does disagree with our school of thought on certain points, and I do not follow him in those opinions.

    Brother Wadood, not very long ago you put Sacred Knowledge through an inquisition. It prompted me to purchase the CD they were advertising, because this is not our way, at least it is not the conduct or methodology of some very established scholars following the teachings of Imam Ahmed Raza, may Allah have mercy on him.

    The opponents of our Imam, may Allah have mercy on him, accuse us of making blanket takfir, having a "Chosen People mentality," etc. and so forth. Our scholars do not do this, in my experience, they are clear on where we stand and what we stand for, but they do not look with the eye of hatred trying to fetter out faults. There is some truth to what the opponents say, but it is inapplicable to our noble scholars, who are patient, forthright, and exercise extreme care and caution and even meet with and take knowledge from neutral scholars like Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi or the late Shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Alawi al-Maliki al-Hasani, may Allah have mercy on him. These scholars consider Deobandis and Wahhabis to be Muslims that does not mean that they agree with their heretical and innovative beliefs. Nuh Keller opposed the consensus view by trying to prove that kufr is iman. This is not the same thing.

    These are incredibly difficult times for Muslims around the world, especially in terms of doctrine. Most of us in the West have been raised in secular institutions, those who are converts first learn about Islam through Wahhabism or the Perennialist school; we need to be extremely patient and forbearing with each other and recognize our various levels of understanding (or lack thereof). The obligation of commanding the good and forbidding the evil must be carried out with wisdom and good exhortation, when this is impossible or difficult for us then it is better to remain silent. And Allah knows best.

    Shukran,
    Was-Salaam,

    Maryam
     
  5. khadimu786

    khadimu786 Active Member

    Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad al-Yaqoubi said Shaykh Hamza Yusuf is Ahl al-Sunna. Don't listen to Wadood, he needs help.
     
  6. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Maryam, are you the sister who wrote the below? hamza yusef is worse than nuh keller, whom you have refuted. It makes no sense to do du'a for a deviant who works againt Sunnis.

     

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