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  1. Mohammed Nawaz

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    was a good interview from a Muslim identity politics perspective.

    2 things

    - he didn't need to say we are more worried about the image of india than the atrocities upon us; these kind of comments are seen as over the top pretensions and no one buys them anymore in today's world. you can talk about Muslim interests directly.

    - most importantly, at 25:50 minutes, he says that we do yoga 5 times a day alluding to namaz! yes he did not mention the words namaz, salah, etc. and didn't say explicitly 'namaz is yoga' or 'namaz is exercise' but it is kufr to call namaz as exercise! this needs to be brought to his attention.
     
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  12. Akmal Khan

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    He has a good support,the day he was arrested hundreds of people were gathered around the police station and police requested Salman sahab to ask public to go.Sir You just know about Salman Azhari but one more scholar is detained from 2 years named Hazrat Qamar Ghani Usmani. These radical facist govt is targeting us badly in India. In my town Jaora (Mp) where muslim makes more than 50 percent population as these town was inhabited by a pashtun leader,but these Hindu bigots put the poster of Hindu Rashtra in many places. And Muslims are still silent. I don't know what can we do??
     
  13. AbdalQadir

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    appealing to 1947 INC style indianism, gandhiism, secularism, and nationalism is a fool's errand

    insanity is repeating the same thing but expecting different results

    indianism didn't work at independence time, it won't work now. Ala Hazrat warned against it then too not to be chummy with brown skinned mushrikeen hindus against the white ahlul kitab British ... the devbandi munafiqeen called him a british agent, all the while kissing up to hindus

    im not writing Asaduddin off inasmuch as votebank politics is concerned, he obviously can't say anything more than that given the constraints of his position and where he's speaking, but congressism and gandhiism is PATENTLY NOT the answer! (ps. his praise of gandhis last words invoking the hindu idol was pathetic politically speaking, regardless of the hukm on it)

    https://ishare.rediff.com/video/oth...sjid-still-exists-at-ram-temple-site/11273075
     
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  15. sherkhan

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  16. sherkhan

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    I'm a realist and I don't see any workable solution.

    All avenues (peaceful protests, silent boycotts, violent reaction etc.) are closed on our faces. Judiciary is in pockets of the admin (just see what preposterous judgements have been passed on Gyanvapi, Babri, UCC, Kashmir, Hijab, Hadiya etc. cases). Absolutely no hope from the system. Even those rare upright hindus who earlier may have stood for Muslims are now hounded by ED, police, etc. (watch what happened to Karkare, Harsh Mander etc.)

    That's why I cryptically alluded that "extra-judicial" means is the only lever in the hand of cornered Indian Muslims.

    Kashmir problem is not a geo-political problem. Lot of political commentators are simply ignoring the big elephant in the room. Kashmir is a MUSLIM-HINDU problem. Because it is/was a Muslim majority state, it (and Kashmiris) is/was always treated with stick, bullet, army atrocities etc. Look Mizoram, Nagaland and other restive NE states also have separatist aspirations, but there's always kid-glove treatment for them. They even have their own version of article 370 (i.e. article 371), but no one has any problem with that.
     
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  17. Mohammed Nawaz

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    I was responding to the question about the fighting spirit among Indian Muslims, I would suggest that considering their hararat e iman, many Indian Muslims, if given the opportunity to either migrate or fight, would opt for hijrah, which I don't find objectionable.

    Call me pessimistic, but this belief stems from my firsthand experiences on the ground. Additionally, i agree the preference for hijrah could be attributed to various factors.

    Constantly engaging in "whataboutism" does little to address real issues; it merely perpetuates a culture of denial.
    Tales abound of Kashmiri students facing discrimination when seeking admission to Muslim hostels, with management opting to abandon rather than support them. While not universal, these anecdotes paint a troubling picture. As the saying goes, "actions speak louder than words," and it's evident that actions, or lack thereof, are failing our community in these instances.

    At the very least, individuals from their respective districts could have submitted letters to their District commissioner (DC). The underlying concern is that Muslims are hesitant to even exercise their constitutional rights. Could a formal expression of concern not be considered?

    I concur. The challenge lies in the lack of momentum or internal drive for change within the Indian Muslim youth. A businessman is busy maintaining good ties with Kafirs, while an IT employee may be largely unaware of the struggles faced by their own community. It seems that only lower-class Muslims, who often feel lost and uncertain about where to begin, are showing any semblance of engagement.

    I'm not advocating for hasty or drastic actions, including violence. Instead, I'm addressing the mindset of Indian Muslims, who often feel mentally adrift and in need of a revitalizing spirit. What I'm truly advocating for is a revolution of sorts within our community. I've observed glimpses of this spirit during the CAA protests. Just as the Farmers' protest compelled the Modi government to yield, we need that same attitude from everyone, from local imams to the layperson on the street.
     
  18. abu Hasan

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    unfortunately, we do not have power and the system is heavily loaded against us. we are fast becoming the palestinians of south-asia in terms of how the government treats us, minus the road-blocks.

    it is not, but given their blind belief system, it will take a little longer.

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    however, islam is indomitable. momentarily, its adherents may be harassed, persecuted, suffer tyranny - but islam will eventually prevail. it happened in turkey, we are witnessing the palestinians. i pray that the dreams of hindu-rashtra disintegrate sooner than later. but one thing is for sure - the free pass that the hindutva thugs think they will continue with impunity will be short lived.

    people will rise up. it is inevitable. this is today:

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  19. sherkhan

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    You are misinformed. You neither have any ground level information, nor understand the constraints.

    Lot of lazy, ignorant generalisations about Indian Muslims. At least, I don't know of a single Indian Muslim boarding boats across Mediterranean to Europe, or paying traffickers/smugglers to take perilous land route across Iran, Turkey to Europe, or taking treacherous routes across Nicaragua/Mexico to US. Not the same desperation as I have seen from few across the border!

    Most Indian Muslims migrants are economic migrants. Of late, many educated Indian Muslims are leaving for Western lands to escape the situation in India. Yes, it's bit cowardly to join the brain-drain and leave void (or dregs) behind. But you can't grudge them to taking the opportunity or being desperate. Some think that it's point of no return for Muslims in India, some are more hopeful.

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    Yes, laity and ulema have generally been silent on the plight of Kashmiris, even when it was possible to be vocal without facing much consequence. It was partly due to control over narrative, and lack of understanding of the history of oppression there. 99% of Indian Muslims are unaware of Jammu massacre in 1947, Kashmir Martyr's Day commemorating 1931 agitation etc. Similar numbers are unaware of the Indian Army massacres in Hyderabad to depose Nizam. Memories have been erased from official history books.

    But I wonder what has Pakistani public done to further Palestine cause. Barring drafting a resolution here and there (notwithstanding, sell-out, crony dictators controlling most of Muslim lands), what has any Muslim majority country managed to do?

    But if you're talking about now, then coming out on the streets for protest on Kashmir or Palestine issue is inviting volley of bullets (and later bulldozers) for Indian Muslims. Such suicidal act will not only be foolhardy, but will be completely futile.

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    You don't know much to generalise. Like everywhere else, Indian Muslim youths have their own share of problems/blame. It's a universal problem, not unique to Indian Muslims.

    Yes, leadership has historically been lacking among Indian Muslims, but where else in this world have Muslim leadership shone as beacon of hope? In Pakistan, in Arab countries?

    What you forget to account is that even though India has one of the largest Muslim populations in the world, Muslims make up just 15-20% of the total. There isn't a single state where they make the majority (now that even Kashmir's statehood has been snatched and jerrymandering through electoral constituency delimitation exercise will permanently disempower Kashmiri Muslims).

    Call it a tyranny of majority, but Muslims have been consistently marginalised through Machiavellian exercise/abuse of executive, law and judicial power. They are over-represented in prison and below poverty line.
     
  20. AbdalQadir

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