a yehudi worth 1000 Palestinians

Discussion in 'Bickering' started by Mohammad Hassan Raza, Oct 29, 2011.

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  1. Assalaamu 'Alaykum

    Brother 'Abd al-Qadir , I understand your emotions and the anger. But things are not as dark as you perceive them to be. There are good Muslims, and they are numerous.

    You are presenting a general case, where the Muslim Ummah is heading towards a path which is not the Path of Qur'an and Sunnah . But the same generalization cannot be applied everywhere. There is a thinking which is germinating in the minds of the common Muslim,for the people to revert to The Way of Islam and Muslims, and even this can be generalised, though not on a larger scale currently, but yes, in times to come, Insha Allah it will expand exponentially.

  2. and alhamduli Llah 'ala ni'mat al-islam!
  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Sayyidina 3Umar radi Allahu 3anhu simplified the matter for us:

    نحن قوم أعزنا الله بالإسلام فإن ابتغينا العزة بغيره أذلنا الله
  4. There are many sincere Arabs and Muslims, perhaps admittedly juhhal, but they certainly do bear sincere concern for Muslims.

    I definately agree with you that our rulers are a reflection of ourselves, but this is not our fault, and there is no benefit in wallowing in our miseries. The ayah on this topic, Inna Llaha la yughayyiru ma bi qawmin hatta yughayyiru ma bi anfusihim (sadaq Allah al-'Adhim!), is in fact an exhortation to change ourselves, and a source of hope!

    I do agree with you that many Arabs in particular and Muslims in general have an inferiority complex, and this increases as their countries 'develop' along western lines, sadly. ya Muhawwil al-ahwal! hawwil halana ila ahsani hal!
  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i disagree with you akhi suleiman.

    our rulers are a reflection of ourselves. rulers emerge from within the people.

    sure, they may be worse than many of us and as the hadith says, that the state of the rest of the ummah depends on the state of the hukkaam and the 3ulama, but they (our leaders) are not THAT distant from us in terms of defining characteristics.

    have a look at the average Muslim or Arab. see how much pride and self-respect we have against the kuffaar. we would gladly risk life and limb to get a visa to the united states or to bring in a "democracy" in our nations, but just how close are we to our Islamic cultures and values.

    it is said if you would like to know a person truly (i think there is a hadith on the subject) you must travel with him, eat with him, or be involved in a financial transaction with him.

    pick any random Muslim and apply this litmus test on him. sit with any 'average' Muslim family on the 'dinner table' (the ground and our traditions are just not good enough for us any more) and listen to their conversations. see how much gheirah we have for the ummah. have a good look at our youth and their brainwashed with american values lifestyle and what the parents are doing to support it. have a good look at our women and see how close they are to Islam in terms of upholding its pride and values, even the hijabi ones. we consider it an embarrassment to even wear Sunnah or our national clothing in our own Muslim countries. the list just goes on. while the western world unites under 'our way of life' and 'secularism', we are growing further nationalistic in the divides between arab and ajam, and even further - forgetting that a Muslim is a Muslim's brother. but hey, that doesn't prevent us, our scholars, and our leaders from kissing the ground the leaders and priests of the kuffaar walk on! we would gladly beg at the kafir run united nations for recognition at a national level, and at personal levels, we would gladly bend over backwards to help a kafir feel good about himself. we don't even know the difference between being just, being nice, and being a slave when it comes to dealing with the kuffaar. our pride right now is a weapon we only pull out when dealing with fellow Muslims. right now our eyes are star studded, and we are blind.

    to be honest, our akhlaq and gheirah have hit the bottom of the sewers and we're not just satisfied with that. we're drilling and competing with each other on how much lower we can go. wadood is right really and the saying extends to Muslims, not just to Arabs. the modern Muslim is helpless, weak and terribly humiliated, and our leaders and scholars are sparing no efforts in ensuring that we stay this way.

    it's that time about which the Prophet, 3alaihis salam, has said that we will be like the foam of the oceans. it's due to our love of duniya and fear of death.
  6. Sidi Suleiman that was my point. When we get governments that are truly Islamic then maybe things will change....

    The more things develop the more they stay the same. I mean look at the so-called Arab Spring....has it produced any real change? Take Egypt as an example, as soon as it became clear that the masses might opt for Islamic sort of government the Army was told to stay in control...
  7. The common Muslim does care about their beloved brothers and sisters -- it's the sell-out gov'ts of the 'Muslim' countries who don't.
  8. Like them or loath them you have to respect how much the israelis care about their country and its Jewish citizens and soldiers. If only Muslim countries cared a thousandth as much for their own citizens and soldiers. 35 000 Pakistanis have been killed so far fighting America s war on terror including many soldiers but the Pakistani government has no shame.
  9. Wadood

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