abu Hasan on Taftazani / Ibn Humam

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  1. abul_hussain

    abul_hussain Guest

    Just for your information, shaykh Yacoubi has those problematic deobandis in his chain and he has high respect for them. I don't how that makes him barelvi ? And there are some other issues also.





     
  2. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    my question was very cleary, but you did not reply. perhaps you don't want to disclose or are confused yet.

    I asked;

    I don't know much about shaikh hamza yusuf, but shaikh yacoubi definitely is a sunni a.k.a barelwi in the sub-continent.

    don't tell me that he too attends deobandi conferences, because that doesn't matter us. deobandis reach arab ulama under sunni cloak, try to match his beliefs with those sunnis in the sub-continent known as barelwis and with those known as deobandi, you'll find your answer.

    p.s: it is a note for others that I don't want to start deobandi-barelwi debate here, therefore no more replies from me....
     
  3. abul_hussain

    abul_hussain Guest

    brother ibn abi al-hanafi please do not generalize all barelwis just because you had a bad experience with abu Hasan. If you do this then you are no different from those freestyle ghair muqallids. You know that ghair muqallids if they see one sufi doing tawaf of graves or doing sajda then they shout "all sufis do this." Please refrain from doing this.

    No question is stupid in Islam. Any learned or knowledgeable brother can confirm this. If someone says it is stupid question then it is not your mistake. May Allah make it easy.

    Your question can be answered from many angles.
    Why we don't quote or use the text of Imam Bukhari or Imam Khallal or Ajurri or other such scholars whereas we use and quote the text of later day scholars like Taftazani or whoever.

    This has been answered by Shaykh GF Haddad.
    For the book of Imam Bukhari, shaykh GF Haddad said: "On the other hand, there are some examples of real literalism in al-Bukhari's refutation of the Jahmis (Khalq Af`al al-`Ibad), and some spurious `Aqida texts attributed to Imams al-Shafi`i and Ahmad (cf. al-Radd `ala al Jahmiyya which he never authored)."

    Q.4) Sheikh Nuh mentions in one of his articles a quote from Imam Ahmad from a book entitled al-Sunnah by Imam Khallal. However, this book allegedly contains anthropomorphist statements. Was Imam Khallal an anthropomorphist?

    A. Definitely, as was his Hanbali peer Abu Muhammad al-Barbahari. The latter never sat to teach except he mentioned that Allah seats the Prophet [​IMG] "next to Him" on the Throne, and the former said in al-Sunna that whoever denies such a belief is a "Jahmi Kafir Zindiq." This is not to detract from al-Khallal's stature as the earliest major codifier of the Hanbali Madhhab. And Allah knows best.

    Hajj Gibril
    GF Haddad



    I hope this makes it clear for you.
     
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    there is no need to make such a fuss. you are plainly overreacting. if someone speaks like a salafi, it is logical to assume that they are salafi. your question was silly because it asked why do we follow imam taftazani and not bukhari.

    my answer: the same reason why you follow shaykh hamza instead of bukhari. alternatively, why do you have to follow bukhari instead of ibn `umar or ibn mas`ud?

    the stupidity in the question [i had just said silly, but you acknowledge that it is stupid] is to assume that we follow taftazani AND forsake bukhari.

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    does imam bukhari quote all the saHabis or not? if not, why not?
     
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  5. Is Shaikh Hamza Yusuf a deobandi or Barelwi ? Is Shaikh Muhammad Yacoubi a deobandi or Barelwi ?

    Doesn't Shaikh Hamza Yusuf come and attend Wahhabi / Salafi conventions like the ISNA ? Doesn't Shaikh Hamza Yusuf come on the Channel owned by progeny of Wahhabis, MBC ?
    Doesn't Shaikh Hamza Yusuf have a teacher who is prof. at a Wahhabi University and somewhat pro-wahhabi !!

    If going by the logic of abu Hasan then Shaikh Hamza Yusuf is a Wahhabi / Salafi !!
    auzubillah.. I didn't expect to see narrow minded bros who are clones of wahhabis / salafis in everything (manners) except for Aqida.

    I wait to see what abu Hasan writes ? Will it be more bad mouthing or will it be sincere apology ?
     
  6. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    sidi abu hassan might be wrong in judging your question. we apologize if you are hurt, however your quoted statement shows clear ignorance. know that barelwi is another name of ahlussunnah in the sub-continent.

    would you please answer clearly that who are you? a deobandi, or a sunni whose mother tounge is not urdu or english, or someone non-committal on either side?
     
  7. Brother abu Hasan. I am very disturbed at your accusation or that's what you implied about me that I am a salafi.
    Brother where is your proof that I am Salafi ? This is a brazen lie !! Why are you so paranoid ?

    As a matter of fact I've ijazas from great sunni traditional scholars of Sham and other places. I also actively help in organising sunni events.
    ever heard of rumi bookstore [near zaytuna institute]

    I just asked a simple question but I had no clue why you had such an outburst !!
    auzubillah.

    question was simple and it is only stupid to paranoid ones.

    the question was on the lines that why we follow some scholars and not follow others and both are sunnis.. and the other question was does ahmed rida khan quote from certain scholars...if not why not..


    inshallah I hope Allah guides you !! it is ramadan brother, please atleast respect ramadan and not blindly accuse. auzubillah.

    I used to argue and fight against the brothers who say bad about barelwis but today your behaviour has put doubts.
     

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