so, let us learn a little about imam ibn qudama al-maqdisi. first let us hear the history from the "authority" on qadiri tariqah, who KNOWS the khulafa of al-ghawth very well: @8.46 the presenter says: so imam muwaffaquddin ibn qudamah spends time studying in damascus and then in baghdad; and in baghdad that is where he studies with imam abdul qadir al-jilani. @9.00 "authority": yes in baghdad, he heads there and stays there for four years. he comes back and forth three times. now while he is in baghdad, he is present and he is preparing his first major text, which is al-mughni. and al-mughni is ten volumes. it is a commentary, a very large commentary on the mukhtasar al-khiraqi, abu umar al-khiraqi, so he is preparing this text over a four year period. and this..while he is in baghdad that he meets imam abdul qadir al-jilani rahimahullah, who dies in the year 561 hijri at 91 years of age. so he meets the imam there and begins to study with him. now, abu umar al-maqdisi, his brother, had long been there gone back and forth there, but muwaffaquddin ibn qudama, he comes in, in the middle portion of his brother's studies while there, and is sort of brought in to the presence of this great imam and begins to take knowledge from him, he ultimately before the imam's death, he and his brothers as well as a few classmates, rehearse all of the imams knowledge over a 40 to 45 day period before he dies. @10:16 interviewer: right and one of the classmates was imam abd al-rahman ibn al-jawzi. "authority": yes. and abd al-raHman ibn al-jawzi is a direct descendant of abu bakr al-siddiq. and his..when you look at imam abdul qadir al-jilani rahimahullah, his achievements and his scholarly accomplishments, were such that, he encompassed all the major areas. but each student that took from him, that he designated as a successor, took away a certain aspect. so, abdar Rahman ibn al-jawzi, his aspect he took away and he stayed in baghdad was his knowledge of hadith classification, tafsir and other areas. ----------- how many howlers there? i began ticking them off, when i first heard the above. he has gotten everything wrong in there. but the confidence with which he tells it is admirable. i will presently write on all of this but you need to look up biographies of the following imams: 1. muwaffaquddin ibn qudamah 2. abdu'l ghani ibn abdu'l wahid al-maqdisi 3. abu umar muhammad ibn ahmad ibn qudamah al-maqdisi 4. sayyidi abdu'l qadir jilani 5. abu'l faraj abdul raHman ibn al-jawzi and a few others from the following main texts: 1. rawDatayn of abu shamah 2. siyar of dhahabi 3. tarikh of dhahabi 4. ibar of dhahabi 5. shadharat of ibn imad 6. dhayl tabaqat of ibn rajab 7. nujum al-zahirah 8. al-bidayah wa'l nihayah of ibn kathir 9. qala'id al-jawahir of tadifi 10. tazkiratu'l huffaz of dhahabi 11. mir'atuz zaman of sibt ibn al-jawzi and some more works which are mostly derived from the earlier sources. ==== though i could have settled this with only one or two of the above works, i have strived to look up authorities available to me just to make sure that i have not overlooked anything. if there is something else that i have missed, which abu ja'afar has access to - then i would be interested in looking it up. it may be possible that he is citing from a source that i have not thought of looking up - or i don't know that such a source exists. Allah ta'ala knows best.