Ahbash attack Shaykh Salek

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  1. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    Abdullah al-Khatib is an ahmaq. He used to be close to Sh Salek until Shaykh Salik contradicted his fasid aqida. He will never openly or in private explain his fasid Habashi-Rafidi-Wahabi aqida
     
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  2. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    it seems that a lot of people are getting nervous about sh. salek's increasing influence in the west - perhaps they fear that their fan bases will take a hit and that sh. salek had no business coming to the west and disrupting their parties. he was better off in the deserts of Mauritania.

    lately, we have been witnessing the ravages of jealousy quite a lot.

    jealousy combined with wahabi literalism - a fatal combination.

    the ahabaash are getting their deserts for disrespecting an honored companion (رضي الله عنه) of RasulAllah (صلى الله عليه وسلم). They have now become blind to the greatness of the Prophet (peace be upon him) himself.

    It's always been the same - people descend into bid'ah one disingenuous step at a time. see the dayabina's idols.

    this nobody will ask us to leave ibn hajar's understanding of hadith for his demented wahabistic ravings - someone had better shove his head under a tap of cold water.


    mai to malik hi kahoonga, ke ho Malik ke habeeb
    ya'ani mehboob-o-Muhib mein, nahi mera tera


    Alahazrat explains the matter in two lines.

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    Anyway - these are the ahbaash about sayyiduna Gwath-al-Azam (رضي الله عنه)




    they are all mushriks according to this khateeb guy ...
     
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  3. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Response of Abdullah Khateeb regarding the statement of Ibn Hajar al-Haytami:


    I know this statement and it doesn't give the meaning that Salik claimed at all. So it does not hold these meanings:

    1- That the Prophet owns the entire universe
    2- The the Prophet has tassarruf in all creations
    3- That the Prophet can directly be asked for anything (even the entire universe as your shaikh mentioned) and he can give it because he owns the universe
    4- That the world is in the Prophets Qabdah

    And while that specific statement does not give whats mentioned above, the statemtent itself is also not explicit and may have many possibilities in meaning, and the Usuli base (Qa'idah) is that إذا جاء الإحتمال بطل الإستدلال

    meaning if there are multiple possibilities that exist within a statement, then it is invalid to seek a argument. So this statement does not help at all.

    Moreover, if there is a statement of a scholar that may have a problematic apparent meaning, then we try to give it a meaning that agrees with the religion if there is room for that. Othwerise it's completely rejected.

    As mater of facts, there are Sahih Hadiths that has a problematic apparent meaning, and because of that they are not used as evidence in the creed. An example is the Hadith if the Jariyah in Sahih Muslim, where its said that the Prophet peace be upon him said to the Jariyah "أين الله" which literally means in English "where is Allah", this specific narration is not used as evidence in creed according to Ahlusunnah (is only used by Wahhabis and other Mujasimah) because the apparent meaning is against Usul for various reasons.

    Even Imam Muslim himself, didn't not list this Hadith in the chapter of Iman (Belief) and listed it in the chapter of Freeing a Slave.

    Al-Nawawi here, made Ta'weel of this Hadith (valid Ta'wil) that is based on the Arabic language and the creed of Muslims.

    Thats an example of the firm methodology of extracting creed of texts, but whomever wants to just mention any narration then his creed will be weaker than a spider web.
     
  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    ... Directly or by implications
     
  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    mulla ali qari on the meaning of the verse that did not go into thick skulls:

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  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Funnily enough, they don't like devbandis, they say devbandis change color like chameleons!
     
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  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    in refutation of the cult of harariy - may Allah guide you and grant you good sense to do tawbah.

    this is what ibn Hajar al-haytami said in his minah al-makkiyyah sh. hamziyyah. let the deobandis and ahbash weep on each others wretched shoulders. and slap each other for that is what they deserve.

    you will see that if any one of them has shame, they will apologise. and since they ain't got none, don't expect any.

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  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    I know they say imam Ghazali erred on something, just like they say for imam Busiri and some other celebrated akabireen. Wouldn't be an issue and we could write it off to ilmi ikhtilaf if they were also willing to accept Abdullah Harari too can err.
     
  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Just take it with a bucket of salt.

    Ahbash are foolish. They permit istighatha themselves but have a problem with others. Most of the time when they do takfeer of Sunnis they project their own understanding of things onto people and attack those imaginary monsters.

    I know they were once arguing with an İslami bhai over knowledge of Prophet 3alaihis salam, and the habashi guy kept insisting that you guys believe his knowledge is equal to Allah's, despite the İslami bhai insisting no we don't.

    Then when explaining the line of the Burdah min 3uloomika 3ilmal lauhi Wal qalami, they say he does have knowledge of the unseen as much as Allah gave him 3alaihis salam, but imam Busiri was wrong on those lines. Hence they will still shamelessly recite the Burdah but "censor" the "problematic" lines, much like the taqiyyabaz devbandi who will stand alongside us during salame Raza and then go and badmouth Ala Hazrat, or all the shameless tafzilis and neem rawafid and tahiris who will recite salame Raza and yet spit bid3ahs like pan and litter the surroundings.

    They believe in afzaliyat of Shaykhayn, and even say hadith from Ameer Mu3awiyah is accepted, but still like donkeys will say that he fought against Mawla Ali out of nafs, lust for power etc. Like fools they keep parroting that whoever fought Mawla Ali is sinful except Ummuna 3aishah coz she regretted and repented it. When you tell them it's ijtihad, what about Talha and Zubair, they're from the 3ashara mubashshara and you shamelessly pray by their tawassul, they give you the deer in the headlights face. Radi Allahu 3anhum. (Yet, try telling them Abdullah Harari committed error on this or that matter, and watch them go ballistic)

    They're basically a waste of time and can't be taken seriously.
     
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  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    no wonder the ahbash are deprived of understanding!

    let the ahbash now do takfir or tabdiy of ibn Hajar for he wrote in his sharh of burdah (and notice the footnotes and the ahadith)

    only a blasted ignoramus or a wretched wahabi with a shrivelled heart will ignore the blinding proof for the knowledge of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. as for the dayabina:

    dev ke bandon se kab hai ye khitab?
    hum hain abd e mustafa phir tujh ko kya?

    [strangely the scanned version of umdah of ibn hajar does not have page 671 which has the hadith of ikhtisam al-mala' al-a'ala; i hope it is left out accidentally. wAllahu a'alam.]


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  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    precisely the reason we have abandoned the mubtadiy Dall muDill abdullah harariy who insulted sayyiduna mu'awiyah raDi'Allah anhu.

    these idiots are arabs and cannot understand simple arabic sentences, which ajamis like us clearly understand. it is not mere gift of arabic speech, but sound faith and intelligence that is lacking in mubtadiys.

    here is imam nawawi teaching you the meaning of what do we mean by ilm al-ghayb:

    for translation:
    http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/nawawi-on-ilm-al-ghayb.3638/#post-8506

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  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    let them. and they will all be humiliated.

    now ahbash will either have to label the same charge on ibn Hajar al-haytami OR withdraw and apologise to shaykh salek.
     
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  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the ahbash are mubtadiyin and their leader is well known for being insolent and disrespectful. i have no respect for abdullah hariri - he is insolent and arrogant. and there is no noor in his books.

    the ahbash have been tampering with aqidah texts and these people with their limited understanding and even littler reading criticising sunni ulama.

    the person who wrote that is ignorant and the very ibn Hajar haytami he quotes for proof held the aqidah he excoriates shaykh salik for!

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    in jawhar al-munazzam, imam ibn Hajar al-haytami wrote:

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    the same thing, almost verbatim which shaykh salek said!

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    as for the person who wrote those lines adducing his own misunderstanding and mistaken notion that shaykh salek claimed that RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam will help independently of Allah!

    that is a wahabi's reading! not a sunni's.
     
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  14. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    The Deobandis must be loving this. It is the duty of Sunni scholars in the West to voice support for Shaykh Salek against the AICP and Deobandis and whichever other heretical group is attacking him. His beliefs are the same as that of our scholars and of Alahazrat, as expressed in Umur e Ishrin and other works.
     
  15. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    Ahbash are themselves problematic. they have no moral standing to attack shaykh salek hafizahullah
     
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  16. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    This is a warning about Salek Bin Siddina the Mauritanian who says that the Messenger ﷺ knows the Unseen, and that Allah gave him dominion over the earthly life and the Afterlife, and that he is dominant over both, doing as he wishes and controlling them as he wants without anyone preventing him from that in reality, and so he is their owner!

    Among what our shaykh, Shaykh ^Abdullah Al-Harariyy - may Allah have vast mercy on him - taught us is to think well of the Muslims and to take the knowledge from its people, but if it becomes clear that they are not qualified, we abandon them and clarify the truth. Some of our shaykhs and students have thought well of Shaykh Salek Bin Siddina, though there has appeared from him in the past cases that conflict with the fundamentals of the Religion, but lately it reached us that there came from him this judgment which amounts to saying that that Allah gave the Prophet ﷺ dominion over the earthly life and the Afterlife, and that he is dominant over both, doing as he wishes and controlling them as he wants without anyone preventing him from that in reality, and so he is their owner. This is explicit blasphemy and it reached us that he will not retract this misguidance.

    We, the Association of Islamic Charitable Projects, the students of Shaykh ^Abdullah Al-Harrariyy, clear ourselves from the likes of these statements that oppose the Religion of Allah, and they fall under the “ghuluww (extremism)” that the Religion forbade. What we believe concerning this issue is famous about us and clearly stated in our books. Among them are these Sayings of Allah – exalted is He:

    ﴿قُل لاَّ أَقُولُ لَكُمْ عِندِي خَزَآئِنُ اللّهِ وَلا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ﴾ (سورة الأنعام)

    < Say (O Muhammad): “I do not say to you that I possess the Vaults of Allah, nor do I know the Unseen …” > (Surah Al-An^am 50)

    ﴿قُل لَّا أَمْلِكُ لِنَفْسِي نَفْعًا وَلَا ضَرًّا إِلَّا مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَلَوْ كُنتُ أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ لَاسْتَكْثَرْتُ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ وَمَا مَسَّنِيَ السُّوءُ إِنْ أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ وَبَشِيرٌ لِّقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ﴾ (سورة الأعراف)

    < Say: “I do not possess for my self (the summoning of) benefit or (the repulsion of) harm except whatever (possession) Allah willed. And had I known the unseen I would have accumulated a plenitude of the good and no evil would have touched me. I am not but a warner and a giver of glad tidings to a people who believe.” > (Surah Al-A^raf 188)

    ﴿قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ ٱلْغَيْبَ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ ۚ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ﴾ (سورة النمل)

    <Say (O Muhammad): “No one in heavens and earth knows the unseen, only Allah knows the unseen, and they do not know when they shall be resurrected.> (Surah An-Naml 65)

    ﴿عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلا يُظْهِرُ عَلَى غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا﴾ (سورة الجن)

    < He alone knows [all of] the Unforeseen, so He does not reveal [all of] His unforeseen matters to anyone. > (Surah Al-Jinn 26)

    ﴿وَعِنْدَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لا يَعْلَمُهَا إِلا هُوَ﴾ (سورة الأنعام)

    < And He has the keys to the Unseen. > (Surah Al-An^am 59)

    And the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, as narrated by Ibn Hibban:
    إياكم والغلو فإن الغلو أهلك من كان قبلكم
    “Beware of extremism, for indeed, the extremism is what ruined the people before you.”
    It is also verified that he ﷺ said:
    لا ترفعوني فوق منزلتي
    “Do not elevate me over my (true) status.”
    Whoever claims that the Messenger knows all that Allah knows has equated the Messenger to Allah and that is blasphemy. There is no difference between whoever says that the Messenger knows all that Allah knows as a giving to him from Allah - meaning that Allah granted him that - and whoever says that he knows all that Allah knows without that being gifted to him from Allah.
    We ask Allah to keep us firm on the truth.

    تحذير من الشيخ سالك بن سدينا الموريتاني المقيم في سان فرانسيسكو

    تحذير من سالك بن سدينا الموريتاني القائل بأن الرسول يعلم الغيب وأن الله مكنه من الدنيا والآخرة فهو مصيطر عليهما يفعل ما يشاء ويتصرف فيهما كما يريد لا مانع له على الحقيقة فهو مالك لهما.
    إن مما علمناه شيخنا الشيخ عبد الله الهرري رحمه الله رحمة واسعة تحسين الظن بالمسلمين وأخذ العلم من أهله, قإن ثبت أنهم غير أهل تركناهم وبينا الحق. وقد حسن الظن بعض مشايخنا وطلابنا بالشيخ سالك بن سدينا وقد ظهرت منه في السابق مسائل مصادمة لأصول الدين ومؤخرا بلغنا أنه خرج بفتوى مقتضاها قوله أن الرسول يعلم الغيب وأن الله مكنه من الدنيا والآخرة فهو مصيطر عليهما يفعل ما يشاء ويتصرف فيهما كما يريد لا مانع له على الحقيقة فهو مالك لهما, وهذا كفر بواح وبلغنا أنه لا يتراجع عن هذا الضلال.
    ونحن جمعية المشاريع الخيرية الإسلامية طلاب الشيخ عبد الله الهرري نتبرأ من مثل هذه الأقوال المخالفة لشرع الله عز وجل والتي تدخل تحت الغلو الذي نهى الشرع عنه وما نعتقده في ذلك مشهور عنا ومبين في كتبنا ومنها :
    قول الله تعالى: قُل لاَّ أَقُولُ لَكُمْ عِندِي خَزَآئِنُ اللّهِ وَلا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ (سورة الأنعام)
    وقول الله تعالى: قُل لَّا أَمْلِكُ لِنَفْسِي نَفْعًا وَلَا ضَرًّا إِلَّا مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَلَوْ كُنتُ أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ لَاسْتَكْثَرْتُ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ وَمَا مَسَّنِيَ السُّوءُ إِنْ أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ وَبَشِيرٌ لِّقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ (سورة الأعراف)
    وقول الله تعالى: قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ ٱلْغَيْبَ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ ۚ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ (سورة النمل)
    وقول الله تعالى: عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلا يُظْهِرُ عَلَى غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا (سورة الجن)
    وقول الله تعالى: وَعِنْدَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لا يَعْلَمُهَا إِلا هُوَ (سورة الأنعام)
    وقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : إياكم والغلو فإن الغلو أهلك من كان قبلكم, رواه ابن حبان
    وقد صح أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال : لا ترفعوني فوق منزلتي
    من ادعى أن الرسول يعلم كل ما يعلمه الله فقد سوى الرسول بالله وذلك كفر. ولا فرق بين من يقول الرسول يعلم كل ما يعلم الله من باب العطاء أي أن الله أعطاه ذلك ومن يقول إنه يعلم كل ما يعلمه الله من غير أن يعطيه ذلك .
    فنسأل الله الثبات على الحق.
     

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