Between my House & Pulpit or Between my Grave & Pulpit?

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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Subhan Allah, i overlooked this part, i was focusing on "my grave" when i started searching for info

    brother, you have any reference or scan for the underlined part?


    anyways, even if it is a fabrication with the "let him stand by the minbar" part, their liege-lord ibn taymiah was an ill-fated miskeen who went against the ijma3 and stated that it is blameworthy to visit the Prophet's grave (3alaihis salato salam). this alone (deliberately violating ijma3) is enough to anathematize him according to fuqahaa, pretty much like tahir's deviating from the ijma3 on the matter of diyat

    these guys also have major problems with two popular ahadith on this topic (mentioned below in the footnotes).

    Source: Muwatta of Imam Malik, riwayah of Muhammad bin Hasan
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  2. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    1. that the Master of the Universe, KNEW the place of His burial.
    2. that the Master of the Universe KNEW the time of His demise.
    3. that the Master of the Universe preferred that people come to the sanctified chamber, to offer their salutations.
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    that link and write up by munajjid is rather amusing and pretty much sums the attitude of wahabis. even if it is a mutawatir hadith, the khubatha'a cannot mention it except grudgingly.

    like someone who grudgingly acknowledges the worth of diamonds but ends his speech by saying: "after all it is an allotrope of carbon similar to graphite".

    or take the hajj itself. it is like saying: "yes, makkah is considered a holy place and all that. but actually, it is taqwa that is more important which will take one to jannah. not just going to makkah or sitting in front of ka'abah".


    stench from the rotten core is so strong that it is not concealed by daubing the exterior with perfume.
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  4. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

    Assalamu alaykum, what are those 2 beliefs?
  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    at least on this site, the wahabi doesn't deny it as forgery, but rather just says it is da3eef based on ibn taymiah's opinion. Subhan Allah, it seems there is another narration mentioning "the house of 3aisha" (radi Allahu 3anha)
  6. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    I found the following on

    There is also in the hadith: "Between my grave and my pulpit lies a grove from the groves of Paradise" (Bukhari and Muslim)

    It established in the two Sahihs in a narration from Abu Hurayra that the Prophet said: "Between my grave and my Minbar lies one of the Gardens of Paradise, and my Minbar overlooks my Pool (hawd). Let him stand by the Minbar to make supplication.

    the above is denied as a forgery by wahhabis - for it entails a refutation of at least 2 of their beliefs.

    what is the Ahle-Sunnah position on this?

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