Debate: Ayaan Hirsi Ali vs Ed Husain

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  1. azizq

    azizq Well-Known Member

  2. azizq

    azizq Well-Known Member

    Assalaamu Alaykum,

    Can some islamic rulings be re-interpretated. For example Ed hussain from the video was saying women should be equal to that of a man when it comes to being a witness and not half? Im limited in my knowledge so im asking incase i believe in something which is not correct.

    Wassalaam Alaykum
     
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i am against dignifying utterly base individuals or their morally bankrupt ideas by attempting to refute them or having a dialogue with them. it is a waste of time talking to such people. sometimes, it is amusing to see the objections of these apostates or the likes of bernard lewis and their pitiful and retarded objections - muir, watt or other assorted orientalists.

    like a total stranger standing in your doorway and just looking at the draperies writes a 500 page book on your grandparents. and is so meticulous in his research that the fingerprints on the curtains indicate that your grandfather was a midget - no more than two and a half feet tall. as for the 'supposed' photograph of your grandfather who looks above 6ft in it: why, it is merely *your* claim. given that he is your grandfather, you are naturally inclined towards stretching the truth. or probably photoshopped.

    what? there were no skyscrapers in his time? well. that seems formidable at first but it is quite probable that you loved him so much that you carved the fingerprints from the wall in his home in his native village and brought here and fixed it - and paid an extravagant price to look it natural blended on your 30th floor wall. and what else? these fingerprints match that of your little child? elementary, my dear boy. since this great-grandchild has plenty of genetic material from your grandfather, it is natural that they look identical.

    as for the stranger? surely, he is above suspicion and his inferences are indubitable and he knows more about your grandfather than you or your own father ever did. after all, what does he gain by proving your grandfather was a midget?

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    wa lillahi'l Hamd, my faith was reinforced after looking into their objections - indeed, along with a million istighfar and ta'awwuz. i say, why should we qualify anything according to THEIR logic or ideas or 'culture' or whatever?

    we don't measure islam according to lechers and adulterers and drunkards and the hedonistic. to them, their religion/ideas and to us, ours. we will verify the truth on that day when we shall all assemble. that day which you deny will ever come to pass and mock us for believing in it.

    our standards are not like western standards. they will admit anybody's proof whereas we admit the witness of only the upright. we prefer the narrations and analyses of the upright, trustworthy, virtuous to that of the dishonorable, liars and the inebriated.

    in other words, tell these folk: 'go hang yourselves.'

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    qul aamantu billah thumma'staqim.
    wa billahi't tawfiq.
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2008
  4. azizq

    azizq Well-Known Member

    Assalaamu Alaykum,

    Debate: Ayaan Hirsi Ali vs Ed Husain
    'The West and the future of Islam

    http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/audio/Event201107.mp3

    On 20th November, the Centre for Social Cohesion hosted an evening debate in Westminster between Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the former Dutch MP and self-declared Muslim apostate, and Ed Husain, the author of the best-selling book The Islamist.

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali argues that Islam 'as a body of ideas' is opposed to 'Enlightenment' values. Ed Husain advocates an Islamic 'renaissance' arguing that Islam can be re-interpreted to meet the challenges of the modern world.

    Wassalaamu Alaykum
     

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