doubtful zamzam

Discussion in 'Tasawwuf / Adab / Akhlaq' started by AbdalQadir, Feb 20, 2015.

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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    some fuqahaa have said that doing sihr (black magic) is riddah from Islam, in and of itself. some others have said that it is a major haram and not riddah unless someone believes it to be permissible.

    i follow the opinion that it is riddah in and of itself.

    regardless of the generic ruling in itself, at a practical ground reality level, black magic is done by the aid of shayateen, and the magician simply can't get access to their powers unless and until he commits open blasphemies like disrespecting the Quran, bowing to idols and fire etc., wal 3eyadhu billahi ta3ala and no one disputes that such acts are kufr and open riddah.

    Muslims these days need to be taught about all manifestations of kufr - lafzi, fe3li, and i3teqadi.

    Allah and His Messenger know best.
  2. inquisitive

    inquisitive Well-Known Member

    Any reference for it being impermissible KS?
  3. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

  4. Sacred

    Sacred Active Member

    Is Hazari using children allowed? I know alot of pirs/molvis do this.
  5. inquisitive

    inquisitive Well-Known Member

    The magic (practically) involves high levels of Kufr and therefore the magaican is a Kafir as result of carrying out such Kufr (I am yet to hear of magic which doesn't involve commiting Kufr)

    The one going to the magician, if he knows what he is doing is Haram and completely wrong then he is a Fasiq and a Fajir but nevertheless, is a Muslim.

    The one going to the magician, thinking himself to be doing a good thing and considering it other than Haram is a Kafir for refusing to accept Haram-e-Qatiyi to be kufr.

    الرضاء بالكفر كفر

    CHISHTI Well-Known Member relation to this...if person A goes to a magician to ask for magic to be done on some poor both person A and the magician become murtad?? ..or just the magician??...or neither??
  7. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    then pour it on plants or dry land that can absorb it quickly, safe.
  8. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    the gifter admits they do magic.

    What to do with the 'zamzam'?
  9. inquisitive

    inquisitive Well-Known Member

    It is better not to drink it as if something bad happens (unrelated to black magic) then the brothers mind will automatically suspect the person and suspicion is a major sin. Many people blame everything in their lives on magic (including not praying namaz and fasting) just because they suspect another of doing it on them.

    دع ما يريبك إلى ما لا يريبك
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  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Dodgy as in black magic...
  11. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    drink, because at least it will be drinking water. the zamam that majority of pilgrims buy from outside haram, or at airport, is heavily mixed with normal drinking water, just a little bit of zam zam in it.
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2015
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    A friend is doubting whether the zamzam they've been gifted is actually zamzam or not. The person who's gifted is dodgy. What should be done?

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