Faraz Devbandi (of sunnipath fame): Is he okay now?

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  1. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    Salaam, thats interesting. Can you expand on your basis for calling it wajib? I want to see how it impacts us today
  2. Shaahid

    Shaahid New Member

    It is wajib upon ulama ro strive against the najdis with their tongue and wajiv upon the common folk to strive against them with their hearts meaning, by breaking ties with them, not listening to them etc. This is the order of rasulullah صلى ألله تعالى عليه وسلم
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    strict adherence to sunnah would require you to shun the ahl al-bid'ah.

    that is what makes alahazrat different than other luminaries of his time and later. he instilled in the common-folk the conviction of ahl al-sunnah being on the right path and that one should not bother about other sects no matter what 'achievements' they brandish.

    you can read books of our elders - and they insisted on being harsh with ahl al-bid'ah and warned against being soft. our elders warned against even giving them salam. because that may cause you to be cordial with them and then you would begin to sit with them and eventually become one of them.

    the arab sunni do not heed this warning and the effect is there for everyone to see. they pray behind anyone and are friendly with even the most extreme wahabis or rafidis.

    if you read the books of najdis - such as ibn abd al-wahab's "collected works" or another: "durar al-saniyyah fi ajwibati'n najdiyyah", and know about the history of the ottomans and india AND have some idea of the world around you - you will see that the state of muslims in the world today is directly or indirectly because of the wahabi fitna.

    a man with ghayrat for his deen, ahl al-sunnah and for muslims cannot help hating them.
  4. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    yes - fellows in poison

    al kufru millatun wahidah
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  5. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    How do the arabs see the situation?

    Perhaps the arabs do know about the deobandi criticisms of their positions?... accept it as an opinion and see barelvis as basically (extremist loyal) sufis, ahl al sunnah but with (overboard) faults.

    It was once put to me that the arabs even if sufi do not hate the najdi dawah as much as you barelvis. An extention to that would be their view of deoband, which may be seen as a slight relief, reformists with errors but maintaining the essentials of traditional Islam with emphasis on (strict) shariah often overuling previous rulings for clarity and direction for the masses.

    I dont know how true that is because I dont come across arabs very much but its possible having read usmani sahibs self importance.
  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    isn't it true that with the bhakts, devbandis and rafidis are the coziest buddies with them?
  7. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    back stabbers of the first class.

    not only is he promoting himself as a conscientious and brave "uber-scholar" for whose taqreez alawi sahib was very keen (indicating the supposed high esteem in which the latter held him) but also, if you read between the lines, accusing alawi sahib of being unscrupulous, pushy and fame-hungry.

    unfortunately for those Arab shuyukh who fall for the devbandi charmers, they will keep receiving this treatment - because one danda from Najd is enough to make this breed of double-dyed devils sing a different tune.

    I am sure that even if Alahazrat had not said one word against them, the devbandi villains would have meted him no better treatment than this - for the love of najd (and its deep-coffers) - and cause, being scorpions, they sting out of habit rather than necessity.
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  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    a fine example of equivocation - drop enough hints to allow it to be turned around. yet at the same time make subtle criticism that may not offend the person but is sufficient to flaunt it as a 'refutation' back home.

    khoob parda hai ke chilman se lage baythe hain
    saaf chupte bhi nahin saamne aatey bhi nahin...

    shameless hypocrites.

    i have extracted taqi usmani's tight rope walk for easy access - in arabic and urdu.

    Attached Files:

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  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    taqi usmani on mafahim yajibu an tuSaHHaHa by shaykh muhammad alawi maliki raHimahullah

    he explains his 'taqriz' that was apparently never printed. yet he had it printed with translation but with 'modifications'.

    hqqideo p536.png

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  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Bro, why don't you make an infographic out of it and we start handing it out to Arab Sunnis, Turks etc.

    Just copy paste their Urdu page (ie scan or snapshot, copyright permitting), and add English and Arabic translations too.

    Btw, i think if you scan their page and add something like a small graphic or something, then it is essentially your work, notwithstanding the fact that in a limited quantity it can be called citation/referencing too, and not "reproduction" which is copyright violation!

    There should be a bold caption at the bottom that says: So what do you think of the deobandis now?

    We must also be sure to hand it out to kellers mureeds. They're big time fans of Shaykh Alawi Al-Maliki.

    If Zameel is reading this, let's see what verbal gymnastics he plays and what context and tawils he presents to say, 'no, no, no, those guys loved Alawi Al-Maliki, here is the real context...' :)
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  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the blurb of this work boasts thus:

    sarfaraz safdar: "alawi maliki is a bigger heretic (bid'ati) than ahmad raza khan"

    qazi maz'har husain: "muhammad ibn alawi maliki is a staunch barelwi; in fact he has annihilated himself in the love of barelwism. and sufi iqbal is his khalifah"

    yusuf ludhiyanvi: "even to this day, i consider alawi maliki as professing the beliefs of barelwis and i consider him a heretic".

    mufti abdul wahid: "muhammad alawi maliki is certainly expelled from the ahl al-sunnah wa'l jama'ah" (i.e. certainly he does not belong to ahl al-sunnah).

    deos on sh. muhammad.jpeg
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  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    why take a firm stand? gangohi taught them to be equivocal and diplomatic in public; but be candid and a rotten wahabi in private.
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  13. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    I dun wanna hijack Abu Hasan's chain of posts, but at the expense of forgetting it later, faraz has other seriously serious issues too - other than Barelvi vs devbandis

    He's a supporter of that shaytan mark hanson and hosein nasr and all those all american imams and priestesses like Ingrid Mattson


    See here: Ingrid supports heart women and girls, a troupe of hijabless modernist, feminist, lgbt and fawahish promoting activists


    If devbandis have any shame or decency, ask them to take a firm stand on heart - yay or nay!

    If you have time to sift through their garbage, see the link below on heart:

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  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    to say ya rasulAllah with the intention that he will help (fariyad ras) is shirk according to gangohi.

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  15. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    actually the standard operating procedure of devbandis is to have diametrically opposing opinions on the topic.

    the level of iztirab in gangohi's fatwa is annoying. anyone can pick any opinion they like. as for his understanding of hadith, little wonder that aghbiya like that pakistani moron keep being churned out from his school.

    it can be shirk/polytheism; but still he carves out an exception for prophets and it can be permissible.

    can something which is shirk be permissible for anyone else citing exception?


    fatawa rashidiyah original edition, vol.1 p.93
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  16. Alf

    Alf Active Member

    Here's what gangohi wrote: “ ………… If someone recites (this wazifa) thinking that the Shaykh can change or influence things with his own self power ( mutasarrif bil dhat) or Shaykh is the knower of the unseen from his self power( aalim al ghayb bil dhat) , then he ( the recite of the wazifa) is a mushrik. And if he recites with this belief that Allahu ta’ala informs (ittila) the Shaykh and the Shaykh can full fill the needs ( haajat barar’ai) from the command of Allah ( bi izni hi ta’ala), he will not be a mushrik. …….” ( Fatwa Rashidiya, p.67-68 )


    Ok, I guess he did not actually call it permissible there, but even then what he wrote seems to be at odds with the standard deobandi view on istighatha.
  17. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    what is that 'proper' way according to the purported opinion of gangohi?
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  18. Alf

    Alf Active Member

    By the way, didn't gangohi say that istighatha done in the proper way was permissible? Or did he later change that view?
  19. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    my personal opinion is that we should not promote anyone if they openly promote deobandis. photo-ops or giving ijazahs is a different issue and that is unavoidable. scholars cannot always do research of one's background before giving them ijazah (such as a video in which some deos took ijazahs from a famous turkish shaykh).

    shaykh muhammad ibn alawi's books are wonderful and his books on mawlid are worth translating. for years i have deliberated and then put off because of his mention of khaleel saharanpuri's apparent affirmation for mawlid in his "al-muhannad".

    and his diplomatic mention of ibn qayyim or ibn taymiyyah or the shaykh najdi (given that he had to operate from makkah, he could not openly call these people the right names and titles they deserve) always put me in a fix.

    deobandis being utter munafiqs, show one face to the arabs for gaining brownie points and approvals and in the subcontinent, the shamelessly spill their bile.

    i dare deobandis to translate the "haqiqi maslak" in arabic and publish it. or at least if zameel or ibn adam kawthari can translate those passages from yusuf ludhiyanvi and [update:] sarfaraz safdar and other big names of the deobandi cesspool.

    Allah ta'ala will give them their just recompense.
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  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    that is the double standard that arab scholars should address.

    were the signatories of Husam al-Haramayn simpletons? did they not ask simple questions to verify and blindly signed off Husam as the deos claim?

    every one of the deobandi elders or anyone worth a name in deobandi openly espouses wahabi beliefs and terms acts and beliefs that yaqubi sahibs father would do as "shirk". if a man can swallow that accusation and still praise or at the least deem them as 'sunni' scholars, that shows how hollow and shaky that person's belief system is. as for ghayrah - do not even talk about it.

    devbandi elders like gangohi, thanawi and the whole gang with their colourful fatawa and unbridled language scorned celebrations of mawlid and istighatha and were muqallids of the najdi-wahabis in those issues.

    devbandis are wahabis and worse than arab wahabis in it that they also profess mutazili beliefs.

    once we provide easy access to those references - what will be the response?
    will they muster courage to chuck out the heretics and stand by the ahl al-sunnah?
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