Hadith in Bukhari: about suicide? (Na'udhubillah)

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    that's what I meant because in the post below only that part was mentioned whereas the complete matn is longer. And I had a hunch that this was the case because the quoted passage starts abruptly.

    Besides, it taught me another very important lesson, which is that we must not jump to defend a narration just because someone says that it's in bukhari. We should first investigate where exactly in bukhari it appears and what follows and precedes it and whether there is explicit indication that Imam Bukhari ('alayhirraHmah) has vouched for it.

    Same thing is regarding the taHiyyaat narration wherein the words "ya'ni 'alan nabi' appear at the end and were used by albani et al. to prove that the sahaba ('alayhimurriDwan) had changed the words of the invocation because rasulAllah (peace be upon him) was no more in their midst.

    jazakAllahu khayran.
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  2. Hashim Aftab

    Hashim Aftab New Member

    And forgive me for my original (tactless) thread title - thank you for changing accordingly.
  3. Hashim Aftab

    Hashim Aftab New Member

    Thank you for clarifying.
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the hadith is not questionable, but the trailing part after the hadith is debated and questioned for both matn and sanad.

    the way it is presented in the original post (below) is also incorrect. because this contentious part is not proven to be narrated by sayyidah ayishah; this passage is an appended section of the lengthy hadith.
    it is the first hadith in kitab al-ta'abir / interpretation of dreams. and numbered 6982 in most printed editions (the book and commentaries).
    ibn hajar in fat'H al-bari: volume 16/p.287 onwards.

    shaykh al-islam ibn hajar says, that here onwards (i.e., the entire quoted passage below) are the words of ma'amar (one of the narrators) and not the part of the hadith of sayyidah ayishah.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
  5. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    that it is a hadith is questionable, if this article is to be believed: http://www.livingislam.org/k/whb_e.html and this* one.

    *with a pinch of salt please.
  6. Hashim Aftab

    Hashim Aftab New Member


    A brother I know mentioned to me today that there are some Sunni 'ulama that accept this hadith in bukhari:

    Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111

    Narrated Aisha:
    "The Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, “O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah’s Apostle in truth” whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before."

    I have no doubt that this Hadith has been misinterpreted somehow though - can someone please shed some light on this?

    Forgive me if this has already been discussed.

    Jazākallāhu Khayr.

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