Happy Muslims

Umar99 · Apr 26, 2016

Anas bin Malik (radi Allahu anhu) reported that the Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) delivered a Khutbah to us the like of which I had never heard from him before. He said, “If you knew what I know, you would laugh little and weep much”. Thereupon those present covered their faces and began sobbing.

[Sahih al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Unbeknown · Mar 11, 2015

a volte face? or 'did not heed his own advice' in the other video?

Unbeknown · Mar 11, 2015

calling a companion a 'court jester' - where'd he read the arabic term for that?

and that incident about Umm Makhtoum (raDiyAllahu 'anhu), seems hanson is up to his usual spicing-it-up business....

The modern use of the English word jester did not come into use until the mid-16th century during Tudor times.[1] This modern term derives from the older form gestour, orjestour, originally from Anglo-Norman (French) meaning story-teller or minstrel. Other earlier terms included fol, disour, and bourder. These terms described entertainers who differed in their skills and performances but who all shared many similarities in their role as comedic performers for their audiences.
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jester (n.)
mid-14c., jestour (Anglo-Latin), late 14c., gestour "a minstrel, professional reciter of romances," agent noun from gesten "recite a tale," which was a jester's original function (seejest). Sense of "buffoon in a prince's court" is from c.1500.
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AbdalQadir · May 3, 2014

timmy winters' clarification: "On the boundaries of da'wa"

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/clarification-happy-muslims-video.htm

Clarification: On the boundaries of da’wa

Abdal-Hakim Murad, May 2014

Allahumma salli ala sayyidina Muhammadin wa-alihi wa-sahbihi wa-sallim

As-salamu alaykum.

Around two weeks have passed since the ‘Happy British Muslims’ video was posted on YouTube, and our community has found itself sadly confused and divided. The makers of the film, whoever they may be, have clearly come under heavy fire as well as receiving fulsome compliments. Praise and blame have come from Muslims and non-Muslims alike, and the complexity of the matter has been compounded by the fact that extreme Islamophobes, and some members of our community, seem to dislike the film in equal measure. This is singular in itself; but beneath the sound and fury it is still clear that the clip has reached and softened some non-Muslims, and also some Muslims who have grown alienated from the community; and this should be registered with care.

Let us start by considering the context. Across the Western world we face a steadily growing number of enemies. Confronting these enemies – the ilk of Geert Wilders, Siv Jensen, and Heinz-Christian Strache – whose policies need to be familiar to each and every Muslim who cares about his survival in Europe, is surely a vital strategic necessity. Our demographic and cultural situation is provoking an acute crisis in some non-Muslim mentalities, which see that Islam is almost certainly the most widely-practiced religion in Paris, Berlin and several other European capitals. This is a historic opening for us, and a golden chance for da’wa in places unreached by earlier generations; but it also underlines our vulnerability. We must throw dust in the faces of our enemies and divide their counsels; and what better way of doing so than by swerving around their defences, and landing shrewd blows on their most cherished assumptions?

Let us not imagine that anyone will support our communities in their precarious situation. The ‘Islamic world’ will not come to our aid: we stand on our own. Who amongst us looks to the ‘Islamic Republic of Pakistan’ for protection and advocacy? Or to Egypt and its institutions, now in the grip of a vile military dictatorship? Or to Saudi Arabia, which is gleefully bankrolling that dictatorship? Perhaps Hindus in Britain may feel supported by Indian diplomacy; while Jews are supported by the Israeli ambassador; but of the sixty Muslim countries, not one is likely to come to our aid. In this fragile and confusing situation we have only ourselves and our Lord.

Domestically the worried but ever-uncomprehending mandarins continue to work away with their dangerously blunt instruments, and have managed to imply that they regard us primarily as a security issue and as a problem. Stop-and-search powers, the worrying new head of the Charities Commission, and David Selbourne’s alarmist prating in the New Statesman, all steadily exacerbate the atmosphere of scrutiny and presupposition. We agree that we need to grow closer to our neighbours, since isolation is not religiously mandated and obstructs da’wa; but greater conviviality and trust will only happen if the process respects our terms, and is not manipulated by the state in clumsy techniques which are already multiplying suspicion and conspicuously backfiring against the principle of community cohesion. If they wish us to be peaceful, they should leave us in peace.

With all these challenges it is clear that we should hold together to Allah’s rope. There are no others available! This means some semblance of unity, which in turn means respect for difference. The sectarian and fiqh disputes which weaken us seem to be growing in bitterness, and can we deny that this gives joy and hope to our adversaries?

Perhaps there are lessons to be learned from the past, from other ages when collective breakdown was symbiotic with divided opinions. Consider the Ottoman Empire, in periods when the extreme corruption of some sultans such as Sultan Ibrahim I ‘the Mad’ allowed weaknesses to spread through the length and breadth of Muslim society. Careless policies had resulted in economic and political humiliation, so that the price of bread was driven up by a blockade by Christian powers at the gates of the city. Delinquent religious views and practices were widespread. As a crisis broke two great preachers dominated the Caliphal capital, adopting very different approaches. There was Kadi-zade Mehmet, who preached at the Bayezit Mosque. His fierce attacks on various Muslim points of view and lax practices resulted in mob violence, the burning of taverns, and fights between scholars. He was challenged by Abdulmecid Sivasi of the Sehzade Mosque, who believed that a furious insistence on a single point of view and a tough attitude to the ways of ordinary believers would further weaken the Muslims. His was the view of the famous early hadith scholar Sulayman ibn Tarkhan, pupil of Anas ibn Malik, who insisted that ma aghdabta rajulan fa-qabila minka: ‘no man will accept your view if you have angered him.’ In time, Kadi-zade’s movement faded away, as its angry intolerance was accepted neither by the masses nor by the great ulema. Then as now the umma knew that Islam is the way of brotherhood: the greater and more erudite the scholar, the more willing he is to respect difference and to find excuses for others (iltimas al-‘udhr).

Muslim unity comes not from the triumph of a single view, but from courteous respect for difference. In our extreme times this must mean an insistence on husn al-zann – giving other Muslims the benefit of the doubt - and this should particularly apply in the judgements we make of non-scholarly Muslims. Great scholars have told me that ours is an age in which tahayyara fihi’l-‘ulama (‘the scholars are bewildered’). How easy and seductive is the path of deflecting the confusion by pretending that one’s own views alone are right and faithful! Most of the Muslim world’s misfortunes stem from this. Iraq was wounded by the 2003 invasion, but the damage done by subsequent Muslim mutual intolerance was far worse, and turned an opportunity into a tragedy. Intolerance between various Muslim opinions is now dividing the opposition in Syria; in Pakistan, the mullahs are increasingly unpopular because of their bitter and sometimes murderous infighting. Where is this leading us?

Aware of the weakness of the masses and the dangers of division, the scholars have opposed narrowness for a very long time. Imam Birgivi, who lived at the outset of the Kadi-zade controversy, wrote this in his Tariqa Muhammadiyya: ‘in our age it is not possible, not possible, to hold to the more precautionary view (al-ahwat) in giving fatwa’. He wrote ‘Not Possible’ twice! Ours is a time in which we must be rigorous with ourselves, and strive to know what is right, while being endlessly forgiving with other Muslims, for as long as there is some possible ambiguity or excuse which could be made.

One of my teachers, Shaykh Abdul Wadod Shalabi (d.2008), was fearless in calling for justice in Egypt. As well as becoming Deputy Shaykh al-Azhar he was imprisoned for five years by the regime. Once he came to London for a conference. I went with him to a newsagent where he needed to buy something. He looked around, and saw the sights which make us flinch but which we are used to: the adult magazines, the bottles of Bacardi, the scratch cards. Behind the till sat a depressed-looking Asian woman.

The shaykh was a man with firm views about what was right. He had gone to prison for them! But his response to this scene startled me. He said nothing about the horrors which were all around. Instead he kindly talked to the woman and asked what her name was. It sounded like a Muslim name, and he gently conversed with her, affirming her identity; and then he left. So simple an encounter, but so effective! Where scowling and blaming would have driven her further into her shell, he gave her a moment of peace and a happy reminder that she was Muslim. For her, briefly, the sun came out. If there was a door for her back to religion, he had opened it for her, with that compassionate smile.

But is this kind of witnessing the only way amr bi’l-ma’ruf can be in our time? I find much of interest in the discussions of aya 105 of Surat al-Ma’ida:

O you who believe! You have charge of your own souls. He who errs cannot harm you if you are rightly-guided. Unto Allah you will all return, and He will inform you of what you used to do.

Ibn Rushd al-Jadd, the teacher of al-Qadi Iyad. comments that a time of fitna will come when we should avoid any reference to the faults of others, because those comments will either be ignored or will be counterproductive, increasing the fitna. He adds that given the corruption of his age, that time might already have arrived (wa ma ashbaha zamanana bi-hadha’l-zaman). He was writing nine hundred years ago!

Has that time come now? Clearly we still cannot be sure. And in fact, there is much munkar that can and should be criticised. How and where we do so, however, has become a subtle and dangerous matter, with so many Muslims and potential Muslims fleeing us because of our rancorous absolutism.

It was by a mercy from Allah that you were gentle with them. Had you been fierce and hard of heart, they would have scattered from round about you. (3:159)

Looking at our discussion groups, how many would conclude that Muslims have clearly found the truth, being happy in their agreement on essential matters, and courteous in allowing for difference in all else? The principles of fellowship, of mutual love and of da’wa seem to be low on our list of priorities, whatever we might think. Towards the end-times, ‘everyone with an opinion will be delighted with his opinion’ (hadith in Abu Daud). The reference clearly is to the ego’s attachment to a particular point of view.

These are the notions which have moved across my mind in the last few days. I regret those who vehemently attacked the video; and also those who vehemently attacked those who attacked it. Sohaib Webb has hit the right note, I think. There are angry and discourteous absolutists on all sides: it seems that one does not have to be a Wahhabi to be a Madkhali, not by a long distance! I honour those who judged it inappropriate; but not those who overreacted.

There is much in the video that I would personally take issue with, as the kind of conservative who values the hadith, so quintessentially Muslim, that insists that ‘every umma has a particular quality, and the quality of my umma is modesty.’ (Ibn Majah) Gravamen and public restraint are surely part of the charm of Islam. In an age of unrestraint, we need to consider carefully the ways in which our traditions of modesty, for both genders, might be used as instruments by which a sad humanity can be called back to the truth. Modesty should not obstruct da’wa, but should facilitate it.

That would be a matter for the ulama. For them, too, is the knotty question of priorities: if some, particularly teenagers, seem to be reachable only by certain contemporary styles, as in the case of those who come to Islam through hip-hop and rap, then what are the formal boundaries which must apply in this long-range and potentially mass da’wa? We need a congress or consultation of some kind which can discuss these matters in full view, and guide these young people. I spend hours every day with a wide range of teenagers and other young adults, Muslim and non-Muslim; and I know how real is the spiritual need: but what are the proper paradigms for da’wa in our emergency situation?

There is the further question of invading another’s culture: to what extent can we use the cultural or aural forms of others? We should not be xenophobic or fearful here. After all, we like tajwid in the maqams, although the maqams are from ancient Persia: does that mean that when we recite the Qur’an according to the rules of Nihavend that we are ‘imitating the unbelievers?’ No doubt the major ulema will explain the usuli paradigms and limits for what Shaykh Umar Abdallah calls the ‘cultural imperative’:

http://www.nawawi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Article3.pdf

So many of our scholars attend jamboree conferences arranged by various regimes, which end with platitudinal resolutions about ‘peace and moderation.’ I think we should stop doing that now. How useful it would be if our scholars could attend a different event, to learn of our situation, hear the different viewpoints, and explain how our response ought to be, as a cool Shari’a judgement, far from panic and fearfulness.

I have no tie myself to this video, not having known the song or even heard of the singer before the final version appeared, or played any role in its editing. I did not know what it was! I appeared to be ‘happy’ in my own way, not in the way of the others, however that may be judged. My own sense in the arguments over instrumental music of various kinds is that the never-ending debate can be shortcircuited quite simply by remembering that the human voice is the most beautiful of instruments, and that by cultivating its correct harmonies we can produce genuinely spiritual sounds that are superior to anything that an instrument could generate. I have tried to do this with some Western folk harmonies, as in the second song here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKF675wknVM

Can we improve this, so that it ‘goes viral’? Not in my hands, or with my voice! But perhaps some gifted young person can make it happen.

May Allah turn in forgiveness towards this umma, best of all ummas, give us sound knowledge of usul as well as furu’, heal our hearts, bring us together, and teach us wisdom in this difficult time. Amin!
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Noori · Apr 21, 2014

no comments but ....

but I would like to see a fully-reasoned fatwa about musical sounds produced digitally by synthesisers: do they count as the ma’azif which are surely forbidden in the sound hadiths? If so, are doorbells, or harmonised ringtones, ma’azif? What about a voice which is trained to sound exactly like a trombone? Personally I don’t know. Once we have some sort of consensus on synthesisers then the ijtihad discussion about this clip can begin. It will be interesting
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Unbeknown · Apr 21, 2014

Abubakr al kattani: arberry's translation

Kattani also related as follows:

I saw in a dream an extremely handsome youth.
“Who are you?” I enquired.
“Piety,” he replied.
“Where do you dwell?” I asked.
“In the heart,” he answered, “of the sorrowful.”

Then I saw a most hideous, black woman.
“Who are you?” I demanded.
“Laughter and gaiety and enjoyment,” she answered.
“Where do you dwell?”
“In the hearts of the heedless and those who amuse themselves.”

Ghulam · Apr 20, 2014

Being good and Happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrpdGKmQV3g

Ghulam · Apr 20, 2014

Tim's message

https://www.facebook.com/honestypolicy786/posts/1441345229444566?fref=nf

Deobandi Mufti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt2K5Ok3SAw

Muhammad Sakti · Apr 20, 2014

I agree wholly with Shaykh Abu Hasan. The political narrative behind this 'happiness' needs to be illustrated infront of the Baldricks of the Muslim community - the narrative being the suppressed premise:

Muslims are sorely abject and forlorn souls.

Thus,

They can only prove otherwise by dancing like idiots

= Happy video

But I think that merely sufficing on saying 'Oh my, isn't this the haramest thing I've seen! It's pure Haram!' - albeit very very true - is a response so paradoxical that we might as well issue a statement listing how many parameters of the Sharia the 'YMCA' broke in 1978.

_________

The video is Haram, idiotic and as insecure as a dwarf in a room full of giants. However, the attitude currently fuming our Masjids and Madrasahs - if reciprocated by the masses - would leave us dull, boring and no more educated about our din.

_________

Muslims need to rekindle a sense of brilliance and harmony in our communities. We need to get with the age and revamp our medieval programmes of study to suit the age, while maintaining the axioms of the Shariah. Maybe then, less of us would feel we need to do a back flip to get a banana from 'Sir' thrown at us.

AbdalQadir · Apr 20, 2014

lol, there's a "halal" version of it out now, with no music, but just the vocal lyrics, and all women's dances removed, with only some sidi's jumping around like drunk chimpanzees - dunno if it is posted by the same group or not. i still don't understand why tim winters didn't dance with the happy sidi's in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0c9DWVuOHI

if it is posted by the same group, it kinda smacks of thanvi's "tawba" from his hifzul iman. the blasphemous passage was replaced by a supposedly non-blasphemous one without any retraction from the former passage, and that establishes "tawbah" according to them.

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this is what the zanadiqah who did it have to say:

http://thehonestypolicy786.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/happy-why/

We made a strategic decision to not post anything the first two days after the release of Pharrell – Happy British Muslim Project. It was beneficial to monitor in retrospect the reactions, energies and ebbs and flows circulating through cyber space. If we had responded immediately it would have been an inevitably emotional reaction as opposed to constructive and coherent. In our detachment we have learnt so much.

Our intention is clear.

To rewrite the rulebook. We want to change how we go about religious expression. We have a continuously growing community that is more eclectic, creative and competent than ever before. Yet, the platform for them to nurture such skills and competencies are stunted in the current religious climate. We want to look at things differently and partake in initiatives outside the usual mosque, event hall and madrasa. We have many projects coming ahead and they’re about movement – we’re moving away from institutionalized understandings of Islam (be they implemented by Muslims or otherwise) back to our roots of being an accessible community. A relevant community. We want to inspire a previously disenfranchised Muslim generation, who feels lost in and amongst the numerous people teaching them the do’s and don’ts before teaching them about the heart.

We are anonymous. It is our raison d’être. It is why we have such a dedicated group of people around us. The anonymity is a symbol of integrity, and integrity doesn’t need a face. It’s not about how long your phonebook is, how big your wallet is or famous your name is. We want to empower the previously disempowered individual. To give him/her the platform to feel as though he/she can positively plug into their community. To be honest with you, as people, we’re disappointing, and you’d probably be let down. But as a message or an ideal, we have reached 500,000 people in two days. Why is it a success? Because there is no face behind it, no organisational hang-ups or bureaucracy. It has come from a pure and clear intention and resulted in the global community feeling as if they have a sort of collective ownership over it. The positive sentiments resonate globally and the world defends it as if they all feature in it. This is you putting all of us before yourself. Isn’t that beautiful?

We learnt something new and inspirational about our community these last two days. Even amongst the supportive Muslims from similar inclinations, ideologies and perspectives there has rarely been unequivocal unity in our community. But if this video has done anything, it is to galvanise a tremendous, unified and coherent community voice in its defence. Cross-cultural, inter-organisational, multi-ethnic; we have all become one. And what has been the unifying force? Happiness. We’ve come together in defence of our right to feel immense pride in a religious tradition that facilitates our happiness in this life and the hereafter. So when observing the comments, blogs and updates by people from all walks of life we can’t help but feel emotional in the best of ways. For making us feel that, we thank all of you.

We will do our best to continue with our main goal of making our community happy, bringing people together and spreading hope. But this is a ‘we’ movement, not a ‘me’ movement. The movement’s success is reliant on how many people are willing to give a little bit of themselves for the greater good.

We need you to join us in spreading the happiness. Share it, tweet it, write about it. Create your own happy video for your country or city and let us know about it. Hashtag #happymuslims so everyone who supports it feels the collective happiness and let’s ride this wave together. We’re not scared anymore; we’ve seen the light in all of you. It’s about time our generation made a change.

Bismillah.

Click below for more happiness:
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and they've embedded the un-"halal" version with the women dancing

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Angry Muslims. See above!
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i know, i know.

i would pay my life savings to see your paqs bust a move to that tune. please let me know when paqs gets happy or does the moonwalk or breakdances!

it's a humble request.

abu Hasan · Apr 19, 2014

don't miss the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

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white sab / western masters say that you muslims cannot be happy by merely smiling; you should jump like monkeys - only then you can claim to be happy.

and muslim idiots are dancing to their tune.

more muslim morons are cheering those idiots.

some more imbeciles are wondering why people criticise those muslim morons who cheer idiots who think happiness is jumping like monkeys.

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not only do you have to prove that you are not a terrorist, you have to now prove that you muslims CAN also be happy - and the script? smile ear-to-ear or open your mouth like you are doing an ad for toothpaste, or jump like kangaroos, act like a nincompoop grandad who thinks he is a break-dancer.

bah.

what next?

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muslims don't like poisonous food. (imagine dead rats and cheese on a plate; a "happy" muslim passes by lifts the plate to his nose - he opens his eyes like big saucers, shakes his head vigorously, animatedly shouts "NOooooo".

in another scene, a "happy" girl, passes by a mushroom around which are dead cheshire cats; she plucks it up, smells it, shudders and screams "Noooooo"."

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high time, someone made a film: muslims are not idiots. (tim winters cannot figure in it, unfortunately)

Nawazuddin · Apr 19, 2014

Angry Muslims. See above!

Wadood · Apr 18, 2014

Muhammad Sakti said:

No sane Muslim can condone the content of that video. However, likes of the production in question are a result of restrained confusion billeted in the quiet corners of the young Muslim mind. Our Sunni leadership in Britain has failed us at multiple junctures - young Muslims don't know what to think about the world. When's the last time a young cleric in the UK addressed Palestine or Kashmir? Or forwarded a potent enough case (written or spoken) against the intimidation of Muslims by the authorities? No, instead we issue a 'Fatwa' against these kinds of videos and call that 'progressive Islam'. Pfff, that's the kind of profligacy that only issues from sour faced religionists.

How about we highlight the fact that we have a number of young women - who in the eyes of Islam are beautiful and beloved- dancing to a song by an individual whose previous single this year featured him being continuously caressed by three completely naked women while he was fully clothed*. Hardly the matriarchal liberation these sisters seek to achieve!

We need young Sunnis at the fore who are intelligent and 'real'. Who have a command over the English tongue and are versed in the rhetoric of the day. Who also are savy enough to attract the youth. We need aristrocatic tradition like that of Sayyidi Fazl Haq and Raza, not scanty 'scholarship' donned by a turban.

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*This was highlighted in news delivering reports of pop-culture. I have not seen the video.
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what are you getting so worked up about? you could have said all that in two lines.

stop showing off

Muhammad Sakti · Apr 18, 2014

No sane Muslim can condone the content of that video. However, likes of the production in question are a result of restrained confusion billeted in the quiet corners of the young Muslim mind. Our Sunni leadership in Britain has failed us at multiple junctures - young Muslims don't know what to think about the world. When's the last time a young cleric in the UK addressed Palestine or Kashmir? Or forwarded a potent enough case (written or spoken) against the intimidation of Muslims by the authorities? No, instead we issue a 'Fatwa' against these kinds of videos and call that 'progressive Islam'. Pfff, that's the kind of profligacy that only issues from sour faced religionists.

How about we highlight the fact that we have a number of young women - who in the eyes of Islam are beautiful and beloved- dancing to a song by an individual whose previous single this year featured him being continuously caressed by three completely naked women while he was fully clothed*. Hardly the matriarchal liberation these sisters seek to achieve!

We need young Sunnis at the fore who are intelligent and 'real'. Who have a command over the English tongue and are versed in the rhetoric of the day. Who also are savy enough to attract the youth. We need aristrocatic tradition like that of Sayyidi Fazl Haq and Raza, not scanty 'scholarship' donned by a turban.

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*This was highlighted in news delivering reports of pop-culture. I have not seen the video.

Aqdas · Apr 18, 2014

Someone's response:

there's nothing wrong in dancing provocatively like that in Islam. Just do it with your husband and wife away from the public.

men and women shaking certain parts of their body. Shaking your chest should be only for your husband in the privacy of your bedroom.

women uncovering hair in public is haram by the consensus of the scholars.

AbdalQadir · Apr 17, 2014

i'm disappointed tim winters didn't dance himself. he's the only one who didn't really look happy in that video!

Wadood · Apr 17, 2014

Yes, Mr Winters, but is it a modest song for Hijabis to be dancing at?

A song by Western pop artist Pharell Williams, Daft Punk? Do we really have to dance to shut up the islamophobes? Who cares about islamophobes, let them keep shouting. To hell with them. I am sure, now we will see hijabis dancing all over North America, out in the open.

it's pop music, not something based on indigenous British Muslim folk culture, which native British Muslims don't have any. Native British Muslims havn't developed any culture of theirs yet, and their only way of survival is to mix with the immigrant Muslim populations and adopt aspects of their culture, into their former non-Muslim cultures.

In European history, minorities have survived as such. Like the Jewish people, who successfully made home in Europe, and had their own European jewish culture. The German minorities in Russia did it, and the Russian minority in Poland. The poles did it in eastern Germany, and the germans in France, and the Irish in England.

Ghulam · Apr 17, 2014

Fareena Alam on Facebook

Everyone sharing the sham ShaamPost "Exclusive" statement from Shaykh Abdul-Hakim Murad, here's a response from him that he has asked the Honesty Policy team to share. They got this directly from the horse's mouth:

I'm delighted to see the outcome of the Happy British Muslims video, which has unlocked a remarkable tide of goodwill around the world, and significantly tilted the image of Muslims among many sceptics. Islamophobes must be grinding their teeth to see Muslims of different races and age-groups united by happiness. No-one will produce a Sharia argument against jumping for joy! I look forward to working with The Honesty Policy on future productions.

Wadood · Apr 17, 2014

This is what every Hijabi, who wants freedom with the Hijab, wants [ or freedom from the Hijab ]

hehehehehehe

Somali folk dance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGY3OXehpZ4

Ghulam · Apr 17, 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVDIXqILqSM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Geoff and others will love this.

Lets hope the Sidis do not start using these methods to recruit into the cults

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