Hitler in hadith?

Discussion in 'Hadith' started by Juwayni, Jul 30, 2018.

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  1. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    He seems to be defending his usage of a forgery on the grounds of fawaid al-ʿIlm and the fact that he took it from a teacher. Perhaps I'm a simpleton but isn't the reason we have the science of ʿIlm al-Rijāl to scrutinize claimants and if need be, their teachers as well? Mind you, it appears I'm merely a peasant.
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  2. MoslemMale

    MoslemMale New Member

    Thank you for your replies. In the following video the shaykh tries to explain why he used the fabricted hadith.

    Go to 1:07:30

  3. MoslemMale

    MoslemMale New Member

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  4. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    We should make a chart with the Wa'z-O-Meter criteria and give marks to lectures accordingly.
  5. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    If this is true, then how was an entire lecture done without basic due diligence and verification?
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  6. A_Wayfarer

    A_Wayfarer New Member

    To the Brother who uploaded the video, the Hadith which the shaykh quotes regarding Hitler and America and then references it to a library in Istanbul. I came across this hadith some years ago, it is a fabricated hadith made by the enemies of Allah, a brother went to istanbull to check the library it was claimed to be in, the library itself is a recently constructed library not the old one the story attached to the hadith claims and the manuscript it is claimed to be in does not exist there, the brother produced photos of the library he had visited. Shakh G.F Haddad was asked about this hadith and he researched the matter and said it doesn't exist anywhere. "Neither the work nor the author are to be found in other reference-works such as Kahhala's Mu`jam al-Mu'allifin and Hajji Khalifa's Kashf al-Zunun. The Leiden Encyclopedia of Islam also has no mention of him. Nor do the standard books of biography such as al-Dhahabi's Tarikh al-Islam and others, show any knowledge of him. As for the narration it is without doubt a forgery in itself and, furthermore, a lie in its attribution to a Companion."

    Was-Salam, GF Haddad
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  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

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  8. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    السلام عليكم,

    Good question I've been wondering this myself.

    @abu Hasan ?
  9. MoslemMale

    MoslemMale New Member

    can anyone confirm what this shaykh is saying, things like saddam, america and hitler mentioned in Hadith, apparently theres manuscripts of these Ahadith in istanbul according to this shaykh.

    watch from 11:25


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