the reason i refuse to engage with the deranged maniac should be obvious by now. he does not understand basic english constructs; he says something, claims something else and is blissfully unaware of his own self-contradictions. he puts words in others' mouth and tries to refute them but still calls anything he pleases as a 'strawman'. and still, he wants me to refute him using "logical syllogism". he is incapable of citing any arabic text himself, but will conveniently copy MY arabic citation from sanusiyah footnotes and use the translation he prefers to give the impression that he is 'quoting' from an arabic text. he is utterly shameless, utterly ignorant and undoubtedly a jabri whether he realises or not. inad and mukabarah are bad traits. we seek Allah's refuge. if you are not capable of reading books of aqidah/kalam in original arabic you should not be arguing in this subject, especially when your sources are severely limited to blog posts in english. that is my observation - but anyone can examine the thread and decide for themselves. one can see how he loves to post the same limited stuff over and over again (which he does not understand either). that is the mablagh of his ilm. and apparently my posting translations is 'shoddy exposition' compared to his eloquent and precise arguments. i created his own thread for this purpose - let him have a go to his heart's content. but if people stop responding to him - or stop feeding the troll - he will stop littering. it is just that we should resist the urge to answer him. if this were any other issue, i would have stopped answering him after one or two exchanges - but unfortunately, this is a delicate topic and there is very little on this in english. and i feared that someone may be misled and hence, i started this thread. as you have seen (and will see, in sha'Allah), these will be translations from masters of kalam. whosoever fears for his aakhirah, may heed them. wa billahi't tawfiq. === @ramiz.noorie : khalq af'al al-ibad is imam bukhari's well known work. https://archive.org/details/waq64511/00_64511 i may post from it, but right now the agenda is mostly ash'ari works. and sunnis who are interested in learning about this issue, may follow this. === in sha'Allah, we will stick to our course and will try not be distracted.