Mawlid not Obligatory

Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Mohammad Hassan Raza, Nov 7, 2008.

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  1. Be clear!!!!!!

    Very correct! And a good point as well. You r from Germany. It is good to know that Sunniyat is spreading in Germany as well.
    Well if every Musalmaan is brother of each other, I wud like to just point a small thing so that even U and I both cann Earn Sawaab. The point I wud like to ask u to correct is, instead of
    "A salato wa salem ja Rasulullah" plz correct it! It is Assalatu Wassalamu Alayka Ya Rasulallah Sallallahu Alayhe Wasallam"

    Allah Haafiz
  2. abu yassin

    abu yassin Guest

    A salato wa salem ja Rasulullah
    as salamu aleikum
    by Celbraitig Maulid on the right way we reading Quran,we hear about storys from live of our Nebi Kerim salato wa salem , somme brother make Dhikr so i ask all the denie,er of Maulid what can be wrong to do it like that.Please dont tell me about Krisnah !
    What i can do from a heart there is missing the love for Rahmatan ul alamin(Muhammed) salato wa salem.
  3. Abu Ibraheem

    Abu Ibraheem Guest

  4. Abu Ibraheem

    Abu Ibraheem Guest

    Round of applause, you have defeated youre opponent! Hope you get what youre looking for.
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  5. Abu Ibraheem

    Abu Ibraheem Guest

    Salamun Alaykum

    I apologize for the late reply, i have just noticed your post was addressed to me.

    How do you get the taslim? The sallahualayhiwasalam?

    Onto the subject, i do agree with you entirly that Islam is not just the beard. As for what you are quoting, i would love the reference so i can go and read into this narration. From the ones i have heard, from a Shaykh i sat with, he told me about the hadith where there was a Sahaabi in who only had two hairs on his chin. Everytime he would look at the Prophet sallahualayhiwasalam, he would see him smiling. However, one day he cut these two hairs off, and the next time he saw the Prophet sallahualayhiwasalam, the Prophet sallahualayhiwasalam did not respond to his Salam, and turned away from him. When he asked the Prophet sallahualayhiwasalam "why are you ignoring me" the Prophet sallahualayhiwasalam replied in so many words that when he head just those two hairs, that angels used to compete in playing with them.

    I am interested in seeing your evidence. not that i do not believe it or i have any bad suspicion, but only because i like to look things up for myself and have the yaqeen.
  6. Abu Ibraheem

    Abu Ibraheem Guest

    I do not even have to reply. Your statements have been looked upon though. I will at least give you that satisfaction.

    Although i will answer one thing as i deem it important, it is not Raza, no it is Raa Dwaad and yaa as in the pleasure of Allah.

    Yawm ul Qiyaamah is a very hard day, for your own benifit, are you sure you want to talk to me like this?

    And for the benifit of the people reading, i apologize you have to see the state of the ummah so poorly, however this link should suffice:
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    apart from being a self-evident statement, your inferences are way out there in siberia. making stupid statements is something else, but attempting to remove all doubt is something else.

    you are not only self-righteous and arrogant, your posts also belie ignorance in a sufficient quantity. don't peddle your half-baked knowledge here - at least learn to get the names right.

    just so you know: we already know about the beard; and the fatwa of alahazrat imam ahmed rida khan. the epistle is named lama'atu'D DuHaa and you can find it on the net, though i doubt if you can read it.

    but you have no right to claim that those who shorten their beards do not have love for the Prophet SallAllahu `alayhi wa sallam.
  8. Abu Ibraheem

    Abu Ibraheem Guest

    The beard is fitrah, a very important aspect of Islam.

    Rida Khan Baralwi in his fatawaa said it is makruh tahrimi to pray behind an imam who trims below the four fingers and therefore waajib to repeat the Salah again.
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  9. AI,
    Forgive me if I am wrong --aH can check!--but wasn't the matter your referring to when a non-Muslim elder who had a two white hairs in his beard used to come to the Prophet, the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم would stand up out of respect. One day he came without those two hairs in his beard and the Prophet didn't stand up. The man asked the reason and the Messenger alayhisalatuwasalam said that before I used to stand up out of respect for those white hairs in your beard [as white hairs were/are considered a sign of being an Elder] and when you removed them I didn't stand up. Aw qamaa qaal alayhi salatu wa salaam. Wallahu aalam. But this is totally unrelated to the matter in hand.

    Islam is not just in the beard!
  10. Abu Ibraheem

    Abu Ibraheem Guest

    Deeds are nothing on the scales with Allah's Mercy. I have no need to be holier than you. That is not what this deen is for, like i have to be better than you to earn Allah's pleasure. Seriously.

    You have only called me arrogant, holier than thou, self righteous. Otherwords upon the sunnah of Shaytaan. Thats your standing with Allah not mine.

    Since the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did not respond to somebody for chopping two simple hairs of his chin, then i feel safe to say what i did.
  11. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    trimming the beard less than four fingers and even shaving would not constitute sin in the shafi'i school
  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    you are being judgemental and acting holier-than-thou. the marks of a newbie who has chanced upon something to pounce upon.
    back to this thread: the above statement is unnecessary and wrong. yes, muslims should follow the prophet SallAllahu `alayhi wa sallam as much as they can. yes, muslims fall short of high standards and yes, we are all sinners.

    but these facts do not invalidate our love for the Prophet SallAllahu `alayhi wa sallam.

    a hadith from al-bukhari (6780):
    narrated to us yaHya ibn bukayr: narrated to me al-layth and he said: khalid ibn yazid narrated to me: from sa`yid ibn abi hilal from zayd ibn aslam from his father from `umar ibn al-khaTTab:

    there was a man in the time of RasulAllah sallAllahu `alayhi wa sallam by name abdullah and nicknamed himaar*. he used to make RasulAllah SallAllahu `alayhi wa sallam laugh; and RasulAllah SallAllahu `alayhi wa sallam had him lashed for drinking wine.

    he was brought in another day for drinking wine again and he was lashed again. a man among the companions said: 'O Allah, curse him! how many times does he repeat this [offence]'

    RasulAllah sallAllahu `alayhi wa sallam said:
    'do not curse him. by Allah! i know that he loves Allah and His messenger.'**
    hafiz ibn Hajar said in the explanation of this hadith: that committing sin and loving Allah and His Messenger are not mutually exclusive nor does the former negate the latter.

    in spite of us being sinners, we still love Allah and His Messenger. let not anybody deny us of this privilege.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
    *hafiz ibn hajar in fat'H al-bari added that the nickname was indeed meant the name of a commonly known animal.
    **the hafiz discussed on the additional maa used in the sentence; but in summary, the meaning is as translated above.
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  13. Abu Ibraheem

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    The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) fasted every Moday because he was born on a Monday. The Sahaabah in turn fasted every Monday to follow his sunnah. Adherence to the Prophet and his way is true love.

    I see a lot of Muslims kissing the thumbs (based upon a weak hadith, but benifit in practising this - theres nothing wrong with it), celebrating mawlid, singign naats in claim they love the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) but yet, alot of them either trim the beard below four fingers or they completely shave. This invalidates any claim of love for Rasulullah. If the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is not on your face, then he is not in your heart.
  14. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    SubhanAllah! May Allah (azza wa'jal) keep you and me guided.

    I was not trying to bait you. Given your background, it was obvious that you had been misinformed about the Barelwi-Deobandi conflict. Any non-partisan newcomer will be inclined to believe that there are two sides to each story and hence deobandis must have some amount of goodness in them.

    You are blessed to have seen the light of Islam in Finland. You are fortunate enough to not have been inured by deobandi doctrine so early in your new life. You are blessed indeed have such sincerity in faith.

    If one is young and unmarried, then an easy way to learn Urdu is to marry a like-minded Urdu speaker!
  15. Khaadim al-Mustafa

    Khaadim al-Mustafa New Member

    I have no choice but to withdraw some of my earlier comments on the Deobandi issue. I've been following some discussion on Marifah forums where a brother was bringing quotes from Deobandi elders with translations. My Urdu is poor but a quote from Qasim Nanotvi's Tahdhir al-Nas caught my eye where he apparently questioned the prophets' superiority to the rest of creation. As I said, my Urdu is weak but I was able to get the meaning after having consulted my dictionary and a Pakistani brother (who said that the language was difficult). This opened my eyes.

    I checked Ashrafiya-blog runned by a murid of Taqi Usmani and read some quotes from Thanvi I found there, and I started to see behind the words notions, assumptions and attitudes that made me feel uncomfortable indeed. I want to be true to myself and to Islam. I must study Urdu and get to the bottom of these issues. Please make dua for me.
  16. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    I had not read Shaykh Munawwar Ateeq's article (as posted above) until now. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant scholarship! He has systematically stripped deobandi 'akabirs' of any fig leaf of deceit, double-talk and mendaciousness.

    What do you say, brother Khaadim al-Mustafa? Do you still believe that deobandi 'akabirs' are holy cows?
  17. azizq

    azizq Well-Known Member

  18. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    I recall having read in one of the discussions by Shaykh GF Haddad where he was praising the king in question, who was a righteous Sultan of Arbil, the Kurdish Northern Iraqi capital.

    The wahabis on the other hand in reply to Shaykh GF Haddad were throwing off the same typical nonsense on the Sultan. To me it is shocking to see that Rashid Ahmad Gangohi, who was perhaps alive more than 90 years ago, had the same objection that the present day salafis have.

    It seems like wahabism is just regurgurated again and again as decades go on. It has the same arguments whether deep inside rural Indian/Pakistani Sub Continent or deep inside rural Najd Plateu and now in yemen too.

    I bet the salafis in Algeria, the murderous devils, are also spewing the same 'Arbil Sultan' nonsense while they are burning Sufi Zawiyas there.
  19. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    also notice that gangohi sahib - praised to the sky by his followers for his 'knowledge' - claims that: "most historians have said that the king who started the practice of mawlid was a fasiq.."

    whereas ibn kathir in his al-bidayah wa'n nihayah praised the king/sultan as a pious and upright ruler.

    anyone with basic knowledge of fiqh can pick on this fatawa for its abject immaturity - and alahazrat shred it to smithereens.

    yet in today's topsy turvy world the deobandi mulla is a better faqih than alahazrat! one ought to read the deobandi literature to see the hollowness of deoband, not their apologia.
  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    typical whitewashing by embarrassed murids...
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2008
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