mi'raj un nabi and sunni beliefs

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  1. Shadman

    Shadman Active Member

    This^ I personally find it annoying when few scholars attempt to "connect the dots" by bridging Miraj and physics. There's so many other factors we have to explain before we try to give a scientific understanding. Just leave it as a miracle.
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  2. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    I don’t think this makes sense at all.

    I’m not an expert in Physics so maybe someone with a degree in it can comment or correct me.

    This is my understanding of it:

    The speed of light has nothing to do with light. It just so happens that a photon travels at that speed. The speed of light is better explained as the speed of causality. Nothing can happen faster than the speed of causality.

    Causality happens in space so if you’re moving from point A to point B in the fabric of space, you can’t move faster than the speed of light. One way would be to move the fabric itself, i.e space itself. For example, if you think of space as a carpet, if you run faster than a certain speed, you’ll slip. However, remaining stationary on the carpet whilst it is being pulled can allow you to go faster than the speed limit of ‘running on the carpet’.

    We don’t know exactly how the Miraj happened nor do we have enough information to understand the physics of it. In truth this discussion will lead nowhere. We just have to accept it as a miracle.
  3. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Noor *only will be wrong. Noor and human both at the same time is correct. Only human and denying his Noor is what the heretics do.
  4. Nissaar

    Nissaar New Member

    If I am not mistaken it is wrong to say that he is a Noor. I believe we should rather say he was human but not like us.
  5. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    RasulAllah ﷺ is himself Noor, and the normal light that we are talking about cannot be compared to his Noor. So I dont see an issue if one accepts that he travelled faster than light!
  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Would miyraj sharif mean that RasulAllah ﷺ travelled faster than light?
  7. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    See this post for more books, specially the first book 'mi'raaj e habib e khuda' as it is a translation of a book by shaykh yousuf saleh al-shami 935H, who compiled and ordered all shahih ahadith of mi'raj sharif, plus there are answers to some objections on those ahadith and some nice conclusions.
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  8. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

  9. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    according to the modern research the size of the universe (under the first sky to my understanding) is 160 billion light years, when RasullAllah alaihi afDalus salaat wattasleem went from masjid al-aqsah to the first sky, the other prophets had already reached there. i imagine that the travel of our holy prophet Muahmmed aliahi afDalus salaat wattasleem on burraq with angles on both sides was like of a prince, therefore it was at a slow pace (but faster than any known speed measures), whereas all the other Prophets reached there before him (alaihi afDalus salaat wattasleem) because they had to give him reception.

    now, in ahadith and sayings of ulama we find that distance for the earth to the first sky is 500 years, to reconcile among various reports and scientific findings we can say that it either means

    i) the duration is indeed 500 years but the speed certainly would be faster than the speed of light
    ii) or the 'year' in ahadith doesn't mean the year of our earth.

    and the awe doesn't end here when we read that RasulAllah went beyond the 7 skies, each having same distance from the previous one, and not only that but you'll find yourself speechless when you read ayaat al-Kursi that

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    and all this happend in a small part of a night
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  10. Watermelon

    Watermelon Active Member

    ma sha Allaah, it was an honour to read the initial post of sidi Aqdas. Beautiful.
  11. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    English books on Isra & Mi'raj

    Check the following books in English:

    1. The Prophet's Night Journey & Heavenly Ascent
    Author: Sayyid Alawi al-Maliki, transalted by Gibril Haddad
    Publisher: Al Aqsa

    This is a short account covering 60+ pages and is a very good read.

    2. Muhammad - The Messenger of Islam
    Author: Hajjah Amina Adil
    see here for more details

    This book has over 150 pages devoted only to Mi'raj. Some of the accounts are described in such detail that I (given my very limited knowledge) have never come across these elsewhere. Highly recommended (provided it is authentic).

    3. Subtleties of the Ascension - Early Mystical sayings on The Prophet Muhammad’s Heavenly Journey The Isra wa Mi'raj
    Compiler: Abu ‘Abd al-Rahman Sulami
    Publisher: Fons Vitae

    Translated by an orientalist, the book is otherwise fine, but for some strange reasons has dozen odd paintings of various prophets (alayhis salaam). I had posted my crib here.
  12. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

  13. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    does anyone have a link to a detailed account of mi'raj sharif. either english or urdu will do. by detailed i mean something which is 10-20 pages
  14. ottoman

    ottoman Veteran

    One of the miracles of Rasûlullah (sall-Allâhu ta’âlâ ’alaihi wa sallam) was his ascent to the Mi’râj; while he was in bed in al-Mekkat al-Mukarrama, he was awakened and his blessed body was taken to the Aqsâ Mosque in Jerusalem (Quds), thence to the heavens, and after the seventh heaven, to the places which Allâhu ta’âlâ determined.

    We have to believe in the Mi’râj in this manner. How the Mi’râj happened is written in detail in many valuable books, particularly in Shifâ’-i sherîf. He went with Jabrâ’îl (’alaihi’s-salâm) from Mekka to Sidrat al-muntahâ, a tree in the sixth and seventh heavens. No knowledge, no ascent could go further than there. In Sidra, Rasûlullah (’alaihi ’s-salâm) saw Jabrâ’îl (’alaihi ’s-salâm) in his own shape with his six hundred wings. Jabrâ’îl (’alaihi ’s-salâm) remained in Sidra. From Mekka to Jerusalem, or to the seventh heaven, Rasûlullah (’alaihi ’s-salâm) was taken on Burâq, which was a white, very fast, sexless and unworldly animal of Paradise and which is smaller than a mule and bigger than an ass. Each of its steps reached beyond eyeshot.

    At the Aqsâ Mosque, Rasûlullah (’alaihi ’s-salâm) became the imâm for prophets in the night or morning prayer. Prophets’ souls were present there in their own human figures. From Jerusalem up to the seventh heaven, he was made to ascend in a moment with an unknown ladder named Mi’râj. On the way, angels lined up on the right and on the left, praised and lauded him. At each heaven, Jabrâ’îl (’alaihi ’s-salâm) announced the good news of Rasûlullah’s (’alaihi ’s-salâm) arrival. In each heaven he saw a prophet and greeted him.

    In Sidra, he saw many astonishing things, the blessings of Paradise and the tortures of Hell. He looked at none of the blessings of Paradies out of the desire for and the pleasure of seeing Allâhu ta’âlâ’s Jamâl. Beyond Sidra, he went ahead alone, among nûrs (radiances). He heard the sounds of the angels’ pens. He went through seventy thousand curtains. The distance between two curtains was like a way of five hundred years. After this, on a bed named Rafraf, which was brighter than the sun, he went through the Kursî and reached the ’Arsh. He went out of the ’Arsh, out of the worlds of time, space and matter. He reached the stage to hear Allâhu ta’âlâ’s Speech.

    He saw Allâhu ta’âlâ in a manner that cannot be understood or explained, like Allâhu ta’âlâ will be seen in the next world without time and space. He spoke with Allâhu ta’âlâ without letters and sounds. He glorified, praised and lauded Him. He was given innumerable gifts and honours. Fifty times of performance of salât in a day were made fard for him and for his umma, but this was gradually reduced to five times a day with the mediation of Mûsâ (’alaihi ’s-salâm). Before this, salât had been performed only in the mornings and in the afternoons or at nights.

    After such a long journey, having attained gifts and blessings and having seen and heard so many bewildering things, he came back to his bed, which had not become cold yet. What we have written above was understood partly from âyats and partly from hadîths. It is not wâjib to believe all. Yet, since the scholars of Ahl as-Sunna communicated them, those who deny these facts will be separated from Ahl as-sunna. And he who does not believe an âyat or a hadîth becomes a disbeliever.
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  15. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    sh. monawwar ateeq spoke on mi'raj un nabi and rectification of doctrine during today's jum'a khutba and mentioned this, i.e. the soul is in the heart.

    he said, rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam is not dependent on the heart and soul; they are dependent upon him!
  16. ottoman

    ottoman Veteran

    according to scholars they are alive in their grave but not like normal human
    we could not know how it is...
  17. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    can aH or someone confirm i heard this correctly:

    mufti yar muhammad qadri was on tv last night and said that the heart is the home of the soul. when the heart of rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam was taken out, so too, then, was his soul.

    yet, the habib sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam remained alive. he said this proves that prophets are alive even after their souls are taken. they are caused to die to fulfil the divine command and then they become alive again. basically, they are not dependent on their souls to be alive.
  18. SA01

    SA01 Veteran

  19. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    shukran, zulfiqar. i have read alaHazrat's book proving that rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam saw Allah. this may be the same book.

    when i said
    i meant something similar to my first post.
  20. zulfikar

    zulfikar New Member

    bro aqdas:book by gr8 mujaddid a'la hadrat munabbah al-muniya li wosulil-habib ila 'arshe war-roh'ya-a book with proofs abt mi'raj.translated in english by shykh 'abd al-hadi.

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