Muslim School

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by Aqdas, Mar 27, 2010.

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  1. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    here in the UK, i think most islamic schools that teach the national curriculum are wahabi [and not the sort you mentioned] and i find it very hard to believe that any sunni could influence them.
     
  2. KM

    KM Active Member

    Thanks brother Abu Nibras.
    That is the kind of advice i was looking for.

    Going forwards in this thread please can we ignore the differences in the groups here and just take it as a 'them' and 'us' issue (i deliberately left out group/sect names in my original query). Let's just say the 'them' element is no good for our future.

    So let's focus on providing advice here on action points that can be carried out.
    - how should the proposal be opposed?
    - has anyone encountered a similar issue? If so, how was it managed?
    - are there any groups out there that can assist?
    - are there any groups of scholars who could provide assistance? (the only mainstream one i can think of who works in the educational arena with any influence in governmental circles is Allama Shahid Reza Naeemi Sahib)
     
  3. abu nibras

    abu nibras Staff Member

    elder arab folk in these schools are generally from the ikhwan mindset, fiqh us sunnah in the shelf is the sign of a self learned individual who is lost, it being on the curriculum is much worse.

    the subcontinent folk tagging along as part of the management in these schools, more often than not, have no idea of ideology or for that matter even the basics of the deen, they are pulled into it by their innate nature to do something good for the society.

    most US islamic schools are run by people of this mindset if not worse.

    there is ample opportunity of dialog in most cases, if they do not adhere to a wahabi cultish ideology , you can talk them to neutralize the curriculum to respect mainstream ahlus sunnah and its methedology.

    there are generally speaking just one or two people who form the strong stand when it comes to curriculum, if you go rationally, the others will help you, for example you can ask them to respect the 4 schools by not teaching the kids to pray in a particular fiqh-us-sunnah way. you can volunteer to setup a class for salah according to the hanafi madhab using a local alim. if they refuse then you know that their "respect for all" talk is just a show.

    until you come up with sunni schools everywhere, which is a far cry, we must learn to pick the better ones amongst these, and not let go of the children into public school melting pots, you will have to cater to your child's learning needs and protect his/her deen ferociously as you would if he were in a public school.

    the time when people would enroll their kids in public schools and worry to protect them from harm is past, this is the time to enroll them in an islamic school and worry about them every moment, even if they go to a sunni school.

    positive and active participation in these schools would be to get them books for the library, with mainstream teachings and scholars, voicing opinion about the sunni viewpoint, it will only hold weight if you are actively working in the institution.

    sunni people are ashamed to even talk, to an "enlightened" audience of modernists, get up gather the courage, you have our history and you have our numbers , both on your side, talk and let them all know that if you are being ignored, then this is a school for a cult not for muslims.

    get the fence-sitters on your side, no place can be run without them.
     
  4. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Question: What is a wahhabi?

    Answer: A wahhabi is someone who belongs to the family of groups that admire Abdul Wahhab Najdi and his "reform movement" [they follow his idea of reforming Islam]

    The groups are all wahhabism's offshoots. One of them is ikhwan al-muslimeen, another is nadwatul ulama in Lucknow in India.

    I have noticed Sub Continental Sunnis classify all such people under one category of "wahhabis". Not celebrating Mawlid is a sign. They all reject Mawlid generally speaking. But there are modernists who do celebrate Mawlid, but yet want REFORMATION of Islam.

    We Sunnis ought to recognize this new enemy. They are not really 'wahhabi', in our old talk. Sunnism is not just about celebrating Mawlid etc etc

    These are modernists who want to attack our madhabs.
     
  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    half way decent answer in regards to their aims... they seem to be the suhaib webb, qaradawi kind of people who like to assimilate modernism, sufism, wahabism, shiaism all into one trigger happy group, as others said

    airy fairy rubbish

    it wouldn't hurt if it was a "general" Sunni school which just teaches recitation of Quran, and prayers, and some general massail from one madhab's perspective etc., there are schools like that with "general" Sunni leanings who do not involve students in sectarian thought... but these guys don't seem one of them
     
  6. KM

    KM Active Member



    The above is the crux of the matter. We sunnis have been far too slow in getting mobilized. Another problem is the inherent abhorrence of Sunnis to "pooch pooch" and pander to people. Something these other groups have mastered.

    However, i would appreciate members assistance in approaches to take to oppose the proposals. I am looking for approaches that do not alienate the non-muslim community (be it locallly or in the Council authorities) and make muslims as a group a laughing stock or bunch of sectarian monsters.

    (To see the school proposals in more detail please PM me for the website details. However, i do not want to promote the site on this forum)
     
  7. SA01

    SA01 Veteran

    Bro Wadood,

    Thanks for that, but what if one knows that those putting proposals forward (and I do not know of this particular situation) do not celebrate Mawlid, do not partake in Eesal-e-Thawab, nor do they believe in karamat of Awliya RA etc etc etc, and still adopt/propose the abovementioned policies, would they then still be classified as Modern Islamists??
     
  8. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Aqdas, they are not exactly "wahhabi" nor "salafi"

    They are a wahhabi offshoot called "modernist" these days. I will explain.

    Sounds to me that the person answering is a modernist of the Suhaib Webb kind. This is the danger of today to the Muslims in the west today.

    The salafiyya have gone slight now. But their vaccuum has been filled by the overcoming modernist who engages with the governments of the west, with the propaganda of removing radicalization, and these governments have a lot of enemies of islam with hidden agendas to assimilate the Muslims in the west. All starts with children. I know, children are the key. This is what happened in Iran.

    Their point of view is rukhsa. Islam is the religion of rukhsa. Take from each of the madhabs what you fancy.

    We Sunnis follow the four madhabs, and we do not fancy, or do rukhsa when we like. This is traditional teaching. Children must be installed with such an attitude of strict madhab following. You may ask for proof. I have a lot of proof.

    1) Look all over the Muslim world, at the remnants of the traditional Awqaf still surviving in areas as Eastern Turkey, Atlas in Morocco, Ethiopia, Hadramaut, Southern India, Afghanistan, and inner regions of Pakistan, we have no such idea of choosing from any of the madhabs what we find easy to do. The modernist is wrong and is a bigger danger than the salafiyya.

    2) All traditional scholarly families, especially the Sayyid families from all over the world teach the exact same teaching from Morocco to Sulawesi.

    The above is not really a 'wahhabi' thing, it is the modernist thing!

    The above is pure modernist rhetoric.

    Beware Sunni brothers and sisters!
     
  9. SA01

    SA01 Veteran

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    I agree 100%.

    The problem with these deviants are that they are very articulate and organised....and do a lot of pooch pooch with those in power/authority to make them believe that they are 'holier than thou' whilst deviously covering up their warped doctrines.

    Do everything you can and stop the proposal from going any further.......save your children!
     
  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    It is better for someone to be a sinner than an innovator.

    I have heard of sunni children going to wahabi schools who are then brainwashed into parroting wahabi beliefs. One young girl from our area came home and said to her parents: you shouldn’t say ya rasulAllah; it should just be muhammadu’r rasulAllah. Perhaps her wahabi teachers had not yet told her it was shirk but they have poisoned her enough to eventually power up their shirk machine.

    Your everyday sunni is not very learned and does not know the basics of deen; nevermind knowing the heresies of the wahabis and how to refute them. So, when their child comes home talking rubbish, they don’t know how to reply. Eventually, they may learn off their child and become wahabis themselves.

    The worst thing you can do against your child is to give them into the hands of innovators; be they wahabi, deobandi, rafidi or anything else. Even adults become influenced by their thinking so just imagine a child – how innocent they are – they will take anything “Islamic” their teacher tells them and accept it.

    They are poison. Any such venture must be opposed.
     
  11. KM

    KM Active Member

    As far as i know this has not completely been formulated yet but it is to be based around national curriculum (at least that is the sound-bite)


    but from their website....

    "...Frequenty Asked Questions
    2. What school of thought is going to be followed?
    Quote from XXXX: "We generally do not adhere to any particular madhab, even though we tend to use Fiqh as-Sunnah where the author was mainly Shafi'i (though some argue he was Hanafi). We've also used Bulugh al-Maram which provides evidence for the Shafi'i viewpoint. Nevertheless, we do not really stick to any one madhab from what i know. Our Islamic studies teacher for example is Maliki in madhab. So we take quite a broad view"
    ..."

    taken from their proposal doc....

    "...
    * To provide an enlightened entitlement curriculum which incorporates the National Curriculum, undertake the national curriculum tests and assessments offered by fully qualified teaching staff employed in accordance with the national School Teachers Pay and Conditions document; and to act in accordance with the statutory Admissions Code whilst meeting the demands
    of faith education in order to equip pupils with the skills for life in tomorrow’s world.
    * To establish an Islamic ethos which is responsive to the needs of British Muslim families and in which our pupils are inspired and nurtured towards becoming well-balanced and constructive members of society.
    ..."
     
  12. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    do you have any information on the curriculum and exactly what will they teach the children in terms of Islamic education (in each year)?
     
  13. KM

    KM Active Member

    Salaams All,

    Wanted to gather thoughts on the following from members. There is currently a proposal, in quite an advanced stage, in my local area for a Muslim primary school to be set up with government funding. The issue is that the school is being set up by persons of incorrect aqeeda. I was wondering what the thoughts in terms supporting or not supporting such a project would be from a pure sunni aqeeda perspective?

    If the thoughts are to be against such a proposal then what would the best way to counteract this without going against (muslim) faith schools in general.

    Wa'salaams.
     

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