Salam. While we’re on the subject, I think it’s still relevant that it be discussed: What is a “Barelwi” and who should it be used for? I know that there was another thread for this, but I’ll just place it here for now. These are simply some thoughts being shared without being under delusion that they necessarily carry weight. There is some inconsistency in people’s usage of the term “Barelwi” which has become obvious with people’s (valid) discomfort in the way Shaykh Asrar has worded or explained things. A few weeks ago, when an Imam expressed via a “geography lesson” in a clip that he simply wanted to refer to himself as Sunni, people were vocal and quick to insist the narrative of “Barelwi means Sunni and Sunni means Barelwi. They are synonymous.” In the recent talk of Shaykh Asrar, people are upset with his usage of “Barelwi” negatively, referring to ignorant/jahil/goofi people. But hang on, I thought Sunni and Barelwi were synonymous? Unless deviance is involved, an ignorant/jahil Sunni who does Haram is still Sunni. A sinful Sunni, but a Sunni nevertheless. So, wouldn’t it follow then that they could also be referred to as sinful/ignorant/jahil Barelwis? But no, people are now (correctly) saying “no, no, they are not ‘true Barelwis’”. Not that I disagree, but it shows inconsistency in the word’s usage. Now, in the context of this speech of Shaykh Asrar’s, the narrative has changed from “Barelwi and Sunni are synonymous” to “how dare you refer to ignorant people as Barelwis. True Barelwis are against this.” Sorry, but you can’t pick and choose, in some cases insisting that they’re synonymous when it’s about something positive and encouraging every average Joe commoner Sunni (such as myself) to proudly call themselves Barelwi, and in other cases reserving it for only learned people when it’s about something negative. Either you include all Sunnis as Barelwi, including the Sunnis committing Haram or you don’t. (Obviously, deviants are not included at all). Also, if “Barelwi” refers to all Sunni Ulama, then you can’t say “Shaykh Asrar is speaking against Barelwis” when according to your definition he’s a Barelwi himself (even though he doesn’t use it for himself). On the flip side, Shaykh Asrar too must use the term “Barelwi” consistently and should not generalise. If he believes it refers to those who have a chain to Alahazrat, or Ulama from Bareilli, or even more broadly referring to Ulama from Indopak, then he should use it as such and not include laity, jahils, or goofis. When referring to the latter, he should label them as goofis, ignorant, jahil, or prefix “pseudo”, “false”, or “fake” in front. It seems as if Shaykh has taken the hint to word his explanations a little better. No doubt, unfortunately, some people having a prolonged moment of madness will now use Shaykh Asrar’s speech as ammunition to further their agenda. I think it was obvious to all of us, within the context of the speech, Shaykh Asrar was referring to Indopak Muslims specifically. Additionally, the talk, as I interpreted, was not just addressing the jahils, commoners, goofis, and laity, but also addressing people of influence to not be complacent when dealing with these issues, whether they be scholars, students, authorities, caretakers of the shrines, clued-on Sunnis, etc. So, the talk was about the state of the Indopak Sunni community and getting our priorities straight and whathe used as an example was Dua and Tawassul/Istighatha. At least that’s what I took from it. A similar talk was given here: I do wonder if people would express the same outrage and discomfort if the title was “Nasiha to Sunniyat”. Self-criticism and self-reflection is needed to improve our state. So, Shaykh Asrar is actually calling for more action to help eradicate these bad practices beyond “X scholar in Y book has written against this” (as if the people doing these things even read those works in the first place) and getting our priorities straight as a community. At least that’s what I took from it. Regarding media available in English: I’m mentioning this because I believe it links to what Shaykh Asrar was attempting to convey regarding priorities and taking action. You can do a search on YouTube. Naat recitals are available in abundance. Where is all the media covering the etiquettes of grave visitation for example? (Obviously, some will exist but I’m sure you’ll agree the ratio could be miles better.) Like it or not, technology and media dominate our lives. The average commoner Sunni isn’t reading tons of books, he’s scrolling through social media. (Of course every individual is obligated to learn Fard Ayn). Sunni media on Naats, Mawlid, Tawassul, and “reminders” are plentiful, but where is all the other stuff? (Yes, the other stuff exists but is it as plentiful?) Wahabi and Deobandi propaganda can only be blamed to a certain extent, but effort has to be put in to counter their work which, ironically, Shaykh Asrar has contributed tons to in the English-speaking world. Wouldn’t a lot of false ascriptions, misconceptions, myths, and lies be eradicated if “Barelwi” was only used for learned people, specifically those from the Indopak community? TLDR: We need to refine the usage of the term “Barelwi”. ---- I hope the way this was written doesn’t offend people or get taken the wrong way. My lowly opinions don’t carry weight, but since this is an open forum, I have put my 2p in.