Nazim Haqqani

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  1. Ashari Matuiridi

    Ashari Matuiridi New Member

  2. Ashari Matuiridi

    Ashari Matuiridi New Member

    This thread was actually helpful in allowing some of us to move away from them. I find it so strange for there to be so much discrepancy between the followers of sheikh nazim. For instance, In the website nurmuhammad(which seems to be related to hisham kabbani's brother adnan kabbani) there is the mention of performing salat kaaffarat dhunub, bear in mind that this webpage is mentioned in some of their books as well and even the links it. Meaning that they either directly or indirectly endorse eachother.

    here is the promotion of it:

    Here GF Haddad calls it a forgery, citing mulla ali al qari:
    here he says that his sheikh(nazim) has never adviced it(to his knowledge):

    At some point ibn taymiyya's 'triple talaq=one is mentioned' , contradicting all maddhabs...

    I'm still baffled at how someone of his caliber in knowledge still attaches himself to nazim al qubrusi. Were it not for his 'face' I believe that many would have dismissed the branch of nazim as a new-age inspired sufism.

    how seriously do you people take the words of sheikh said affandi al chirkawi(dagestani sheikh of naqshbandi and sadhili) on denying the ijazas of the 'grandshaykhs' of nazim's branch?
    close to the middle of this article:

    This part was deleted in wikipedia on abdullah dagestani's page.(which is where I first saw the controversy section and had to go through the edit-history to find it)I believe it simply never reached the attention of other sheikhs to verify it or make something out of it.
  3. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    I am going to take this opportunity to publicly apologise and do ruju from my comments re: Shaykh Nazim. My view is now similar to that of Hadrat Shah Turab al-Haq Qadiri and others. Note because he (Shaykh Nazim) passed away, I don't do takfir and neither does Shah Sahib raHimahullah. But there are definitely things that are worth pointing out that outwardly are against our belief.
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  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Gibril haddad is not from the scholars of haqq, harsh as it may sound to some.

    He certainly has knowledge and caliber, but his sychophantic support of the mini dajjal nazim, and name dropping of other mini dajjals, princes, politicians, and stooges of the rich, powerful, and famous (ghazi bin Mohammed, ali gomaa, ali jifry to name but a few), defines him for what he is - an utter waste of talent and scholarship, and an endorser of heresy! Period.

    Not every name he dropped is/was a mini dajjal or a stooge, but some of those might not know of nazim's heresies, or a simple meeting and a hand shake doesn't count as endorsement either. He might as well include my name in there too if i ever become rich, famous and powerful for i too have met and shaken hands with mini dajjal nazim.

    My 2 cents. Allah knows best.
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  5. SunniRadawi

    SunniRadawi New Member

    As salāmu alaikum, i just happened to come across this recent post (6 Aug 2022) by Shaykh Gibril, regarding his response to issues with Shaykh Nazim.

    Some of these responses in my opinion are stretching things quite far. I cant seem the grasp the length that he goes through to endorse some of these issues.



    > Are the teachings of Shaykh Nazim Al Haqqani in line with the teachings of Ahlussunnah Wal Jamaah?

    Yes, according to a vast number of the Shuyukh of Hijaz, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Egypt, the Maghreb, Turkey, India, Pakistan, Central Asia and Southeast Asia and their communities.

    Hijaz: Shaykh Muhammad bin Alawi al-Maliki

    Yemen: Habib Umar, Habib Ali Jafri, Habib Salim Shatri

    Syria: Shaykh Abd Allah Sirajuddin, Mufti of Syria Shaykh Ahmad Kuftaro, Shaykh Rajab Deeb, Mufti of Damascus Shaykh Adnan Afyumi, Dr. Nur al-Din `Itr, Shaykh Adnan al-Majd, Shaykh Fatih al-Kattani, Dr. Abd Allah al-Kattani, and others;

    Lebanon: Mufti of Lebanon Shaykh al-`Arabi al-`Azzuzi, Mufti of Lebanon Hasan Khalid, Mufti of Lebanon Rashid Kabbani, Mufti of Bekaa Khalil al-Mays, Director of Dar al-Fatwa Shaykh Salah Fakhri, and others;

    Jordan: Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad, Shaykh Ahmad Moustafa al-Khoudry and others.

    Egypt: Dr. Ali Gomaa, Dr. Ahmad al-Tayyib, Shaykh Muhammad Mahmud Buhayri, Shaykh Ahmad Amir, Shaykh Salah al-Din Nassar and others.

    Kuwait: Minister of State, educator and scholar Sayyid Yusuf Hashim al-Rifa`i

    Morocco: Shaykh Mustafa ibn Ibrahim Basir of the Basiriyya Quranic School in Bani A`yat, Middle Atlas;

    Turkey: many figures including the late president of Turkey, Turgut Özal, the Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktaş, the current President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Abdullah Gül, Necmettin Erbakan, and the late Shaykh Mahmud Effendi.

    India: Shaykh Abu Bakr Musliyar the largest educator and overseer of Muslim schools in India, and others;

    Eastern Europe: Imam Senad Agic, official Representative of the Bosnia-Herzegovina National Ministry of Religion in the US, Dr. Rexhep Boja, Grand Mufti of Kosovo, and Shaykh Sulejman Rexhepi, Grand Mufti of Macedonia.

    > 1) Allah swt speaks through Awliyaa (saints).

    Any denial that Allah speaks through Awliya is kufr. Allah s.w.t. said:
    وَنَفْسٍ وَمَا سَوَّاهَا (7) فَأَلْهَمَهَا فُجُورَهَا وَتَقْوَاهَا ( 8 ) Surat al-Shams
    and he said:
    وَإِذْ أَوْحَيْتُ إِلَى الحواريين (111) Surat al-Ma'ida.

    > 2) The Awliyaa meet the Prophet (peace be upon him) every night.

    This is possible as established by Imam Suyuti in al-Hawi lil-Fatawa (Tanwir al-Halak) and others.

    > 3) Can't ask God directly except through Awliyaa.

    صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا الضَّالِّينَ (7) Surat al-Fatiha
    Salat is invalid unless you read that verse in every rakaa, which is tawassul through Awliyaa.

    > 4) Wali Qutub was given authority by God to control the universe.

    قُلِ اللَّهُمَّ مَالِكَ الْمُلْكِ تُؤْتِي الْمُلْكَ مَنْ تَشَاءُ وَتَنْزِعُ الْمُلْكَ مِمَّنْ تَشَاءُ وَتُعِزُّ مَنْ تَشَاءُ وَتُذِلُّ مَنْ تَشَاءُ بِيَدِكَ الْخَيْرُ إِنَّكَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ (26) Surat Aal `Imran

    > 5) Awliyaa in the grave have the power to provide protection.

    Protection is a blessing and all blessings are God-given whether through intermediaries (such as a mother and father for procreation) or without intermediary. In the first case the biological life of the intermediaries is customary but not inherently necessary. To believe otherwise is SHIRK.

    > 6) Adam's descendants caused him to eat the forbidden fruit.

    Not as a justification but as a Hikma: "Adam could not bring his descendants into Paradise by staying in it, rather he had to go out and then bring them in" (Qastallani, Mawahib; Zarqani, Sharh al-Mawahib)

    > 7) The Quranic verse about Abu Lahab's punishment is just a reminder.

    All of the Qur'an is a Dhikr (Reminder) including that verse, and it is all Haqq.

    > 8 ) Prince Charles is a descendant of the Prophet.

    Prince Charles has been said to be a mu'allaf (sympathetic) since the 1990s and the Shafii madhhab defines Aal Muhammad as the Umma of Islam. In that sense anyone who takes shahada has become one of the Aal of the Prophet, upon him and them blessings and peace.

    Additionally, Dr Ali Gomaa the former Mufti of Egypt said "it is said" that Queen Elizabeth II's Spanish female ancestor was a Hashimi descendant of the Prophet (upon him blessings and peace).

    > 9) George Bush and Tony Blair as awliyaa of Allah.

    The words awliyaa of Allah were never applied to them. Second, the meaning may have been that among the tyrants of east and west they were the lesser evils.

    > 10) Nur Muhammad and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) have existed since time immemorial (azali).

    There is no question that the Prophet Muhammad, upon him blessings and peace, is a Nur by agreement of the mufassirun in Surah al-Maidah
    قَدْ جَاءَكُمْ مِنَ اللَّهِ نُورٌ وَكِتَابٌ مُبِينٌ (15)
    As for the time of the Prophet's creation it predates Adam as clearly stated in several authentic hadiths.

    > 11) All the Prophets, companions and awliyaa congratulated him.

    "It is definitely established that the Friends of Allah receive extraordinary addresses and visionary disclosures." (Ahmad b. Taymiyya, `Aqida Wasitiyya)

    > 12) Strongly cursed the members of the Malaysian Fatwa Council for banning the Naqshbandiah Al Aliyyah order.

    He also strongly made duaa for them to be guided to Haqq and Sawab on a daily basis.

    > 13) Wali evaluates the authenticity of hadith with light.

    This is a rule cited by the Salaf al-Salih. Al-Khatib narrated that al-Rabi` b. Khuthaym (d. 63/683) said: “A hadith shines a light like daylight by which you may recognize it, or casts a darkness like that of night by which you may disown it.”

    > 14) God gives the authority to govern the world through the practice of rabitah.

    This is a complete misrepresentation of the meaning of rabitah which we have never heard of.

    > 15) Making false predictions like a big war in the year 2000.

    There is qada' mu`allaq and there is qada' mubram. It is all in the hand of Allah and only He knows what disaster was avoided in 2000 and other times through His mercy.

    > 16) Prophet Jesus A.S. will emerge and rule in 2050.

    We have never heard of any such prediction from Shaykh Nazim or from a reliable source quoting Shaykh Nazim.

    > 17) Imam Mahdi is in a cave with 99 caliphs. The cave is guarded by jinn.

    Something to that effect was related from the Muhaddith al-Akbar Shaykh Badr al-Din al-Hasani al-Dimashqi.

    > 18) Pledged allegiance to Imam Mahdi in 1960. Met Imam Mahdi spiritually in 2011.

    See Answer to point (11) above.

    > 19) The appearance of Imam Mahdi in 1999 and special praise for his followers.

    This is something every Muslim from the time of the Prophet (upon hiom blessings and peace) is encouraged to pray for, not disbelieve in.

    > 20) Imam Mahdi of the Naqshbandi order and other orders have all lost power.

    The established position is that Imam Mahdi is a Mujtahid Mutlaq and that the Naqshbandi Tariqa is the way of the Sahaba.

    > 21) The practice of suluk is given 6 extraordinary powers including being able to see Luh Mahfuz.

    If permission is given to certain angels to see the Lawh al-Mahfuz then it is possible for it to be given to certain human beings also.

    > 22) Whirling dervishes as a divine opening.

    Whirling dervishes according to the teachings of Rumi represent happiness with Allah and elevation from the lowliness of dunya.
  6. mohammed nasim khan

    mohammed nasim khan New Member

    All I want to know from the administrators is that it’s not wise to follow the Haqqani tariqat!
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  7. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    He stated in his book Islam The Freedom To Serve, page 67.

    "To follow Sufi ways, must I be a Muslim? Do you think that Christians are not Muslims? Perhaps they are. To be a Muslim means to be an obedient servant of your Lord. ‘Muslim’ is only an Arabic word for this. Why are you afraid of this word? Worship your Lord. Worship is part of a special relationship between you and your Lord."

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  8. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Well since he has said it, it must be accepted, it cannot be rejected, especially not by his Murīds as we see from the horse's mouth:

    "One is not entitled to refute or object to any of the matters of his sheikh even if he contradicts the pure rules of the Religion."
  9. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Of course! And if you happen to be Tony Blair or George Bush then you don't even have to love a Muslim but you get promoted to a Wali Allah! So further going by the same logic anybody who loves Tony or George goes to jannah.
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  10. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    So a Muslim who is in a Ĥarām relationship with a Christian woman and commits Zinā with her is actually saving her from Hellfire? After all, if she loves him then she has no need of saying the Shahādah and accepting Islām.
  11. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    What about him loving the Christians and respecting the pope?
  12. Ibn Furak

    Ibn Furak New Member

    Nazim claims that a christian will not enter Hellfire if he loves a muslim. This is kufr.
  13. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    I don’t see anything wrong with making a haram relationship as is; a halal one. For verily marriage is Better than the opposite, be it among Muslims or otherwise.

    Again, I’d like to reinstate that I don’t agree or adhere to many of the “munkarat” or “rukhsas” done by the late shaykh during his tour to USA/EU or elsewhere around the globe.

    Most the issue are regarding fiqh, which were in most cases contrary to the jamhur.

    My whole point was that despite the issues one may have with the methodology of Shaykh Nazim. I feel that his son Shaykh Mehmet is trying his best to rectify and realign the mureeds back on track.
  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i can see an answer lurking there somewhere in those lines...
  15. Alf

    Alf Active Member

    I hope I wasn't coming off as confrontational or angry. I don't think my affiliation matters as far as this discussion goes, and regardless of what you thought, I was trying to understand it from the sunni perspective.

    Regarding the sheikh or his tariqa in question, I have my own views on certain things they say or promote which I do not accept, such as their proximity with a certain deviant sect, referring to their own sheikh as sultan ul awliya, and more, but then not all information coming from the followers or disciples are actually reliable or authentic, so it is possible some of the wrong things about them is nothing more than a misrepresentation made by ignorant followers.
  16. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    again: did I even hint at that?

    brother, I don't know whose mureed you are - but don't let your affiliation make you emotional.

    I already answered that in my previous post. the touchstone is the Shariah.

    we don't decide - it is the legislation from Allah, the Supreme, that decides. each saying is to be considered according to its own merit.
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  17. Alf

    Alf Active Member

    I did, as an example of writings that ulema have a problem with: it was in that context.

    You're right, not all utterances qualify as spiritual exclamation, however, the question still remains as to when a person is considered important enough, when it does. This, by the way, is a genuine query from my end, one that I have had for quite some time.

    You did mention above, that ulema always tried to find the smallest of reasons to do taawil, to find an excuse for utterances made by majzoobs and even those in control of their senses, so that way everybody will have the benefit of taawil and excuses, then why not for the sheikh discussed here? Or is it being claimed that while we can somehow make taawil of all the strange utterances of the buzurgs of the past, but the ones happening in recent times can not be given that benefit? if yes, why so? Is there any objective basis for that distinction?
  18. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    brother, I only responded to your post, for you claimed having read it in Fusus alHikam; so that's why I asked you to bring a solid proof that it exists in the writings of the Hazrat ibn Arabi whom even Ala Hazrat calls "Shaykh e Akbar".

    if you did not believe in it, why did you mention it?

    did I even hint at that?

    ulema have always tried to find the smallest of reasons, to do taawil, to find an excuse for utterances made by majzoobs, those in the state of spiritual ecstasy and even those in control of their senses. for instance, if a statement has a hundred (100) meanings of Kufr, but just a single (1) meaning of Imaan, they will excuse it, until the speaker clarifies what he meant.

    but they will not declare every madman's utterance as a "spiritual exclamation".

    nobody has the license to say whatever and then say 'you excused so & so'. things will go wildly haywire. as it is, we already have thousands of idiots masquerading as spiritual guides.

    we don't decide - it is the legislation from Allah, the Supreme, that decides. each saying is to be considered according to its own merit.
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  19. Alf

    Alf Active Member

    I think you're missing the point. I am neither saying pharaoh is going to heaven nor vouching for the writings attributed to Sheikh Ibn Arabi( rahimahullah)as authentically reported: the issue is broader than that. Are you saying, that no buzurg in the past has ever said or done something which the orthodox ulema had or continue to have problems accepting? People can do tawil or simply consider such writings or reports forged, then, why don't we do the same for others?
  20. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    please post a scan from the original book by Shaykh ibn Arabi. not from the translation available on the net from a book attributed to him.

    If someone believes that the exclamation of Pharoah at the time of death, was accepted by Allah, then this is incorrect; accepting faith upon facing imminent death is rejected.

    We say, and the matter belongs to Allah, that the fixed idea which the common people have regarding the wretchedness of Pharaoh is not based on anything in the divine text.

    The following are some of the proofs from the texts:-

    Allah Almighty says, in Surah Momin [40:45-48]

    Therefore Allah saved him from the evils of their scheming, and an evil punishment enveloped the people of Firaun. The fire - upon which they are presented morning and evening; and when the Last Day is established - “Put the people of Firaun into the most severe punishment.” And when they will quarrel amongst themselves in the fire, those who were weak will say to those who sought greatness, “We were your followers, so will you reduce from us some of the punishment of the fire?” Those who were proud will say, “We are all in the fire - indeed Allah has already passed the judgement among the bondmen.”

    And the Holy Prophet once said regarding abu Jahl; he is the Pharoah of my Ummah.
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