Philosophy behind kafilas?

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by ghulam-e-raza, Oct 17, 2014.

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    that's what i would like to see too. this idea seems to have spread through word of mouth alone. what is the 'official' position of DI regarding it's own conception? the best way to know it is through their talks or books, and in both places any credence to such a claim is conspicuous by its absence (see post no. 5 of this thread).
     
  2. Madani

    Madani Active Member

    Well in light of no facts thats all i have to rely on. I have not come across any speech or book or any recorded public appearance by the great scholars declaring that they created DI. If you have any please share..
     
  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    jazakallah for the answers.

    it's not about who gets the credit but more like it creates a sense of security and trust that the tanzeem was cherished by such luminous 'godfathers' and thereby shows that it is set on a solid framework of principles laid down by some of the greatest and god-fearing minds and that it's success is a natural result of adherence to these principles and not a bubble that puffed up over-night and might burst anytime soon (Allah forbid).

    it's just that i wasn't much aware about the activities of DI until madani channel went on air and i merely wish to be utterly sure that i won't have to be sorry once again, as it has happened to me quite a few times with 'tele-maulvis'.

    how many times can one stand to wean oneself away from people after having admired them for so long and having been attached emotionally to them?

    and i don't wish to hide the fact that there are SO many accusations flying around that i occasionally have waswasaas and second-thoughts. maintaining husn-az-zan becomes an uphill task sometimes.........

    wassalaam.
     
  4. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Add Mufti Waqaruddin Sahab (RAA)

    All these 4 luminaries are now resting in their Jannah.

    But does it really matter who gets the credit & worldly fame? I don't think anyone of them cared for any title / credit......
     
  5. Taalib-e-Ilm

    Taalib-e-Ilm Well-Known Member

    Key words being : " as far as I am aware" and "according to what I've been told"
     
  6. Madani

    Madani Active Member

    salam

    As far as I am aware, these great Ulama and others met to discuss how to counter the TJ and they decided that a Sunni group be made. Mufti Waqar-ud-deen Rahmatullah alaihi mentioned that He know someone who could do it and brought forward Shaykh Muhammad Ilyas Attar Qadri.

    According to what I have been told Ameer-e-Ahle-Sunnat is the baani because the Ulama only decided that a group be set up and comissioned Ameer-e-Ahle-Sunnat to set it up.

    Also when I was in Karachi a few years back we went as part of a delegation to meet Maulana Kokab Noorani (May Allah az'zawajal keep them safe) who also mentioned this and said he remembered a time when he was abit younger when Ameer-e-Ahle-Sunnat came to meet their father Mufti Shafi Okarvi rahmatullah alaihi and was very upset at not being given any support from local Sunni ulama to hold Ijtimaat, dars etc in their masjids. Mufti Sahib consoled Ameer-e-Ahle-Sunnat and gave permission for Dawat-e-Islami work to be done in Gulzar-e-Habib Masjid which is know as Dawat-e-Islami's Awaleen Madani Markaz.

    Allah az'zawajal knows best brothers, regardless of who made Dawat-e-Islami alhamdullilah it has the faiz of the great Ulama past and present.

    The 3 day annual ijtima was moved to Multan shareef because a Mubaligh of Dawat-e-Islami had a dream in which he was blessed to see Hazrat Bahudeen Zakriyya Rahmatullah alaihi who told him to tell Ameer-e-Ahle-Sunnat to move it to Multan.
     
  7. Taalib-e-Ilm

    Taalib-e-Ilm Well-Known Member

    I have heard they made mawlana ilyas the ameer.
     
  8. Taalib-e-Ilm

    Taalib-e-Ilm Well-Known Member

    Dawate islami was founded by Allamah Arshadul qadri, shah Ahmed nurani and sayyid saeed Ahmed kazmi. Most DI brothers agree with this too
     
  9. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Salaams.

    i've heard that dawate islami was founded under the direction of Allamah Saeed Ahmed Kazmi (rahimahullah) and Shaykh Asrar Rasheed too mentions it in this lecture (around 7:30).

    but mawlana ilyas qadri(Hafidhahullah) is always referred to as the 'baani' of DI. and few days back he was requested to throw some light on allamah Kazmi whereupon he said that shah sahib new him well but did not mention anything about his being related to the organization, which i found odd so i checked the book 'Introduction to Dawate islami' and here's what it says:

    can bro. madani or anyone please clarify this.

    this is a genuine query and not an attempt to stir up fitnah. please have husn as dhan and don't jump to conclusions.

    jazakallah. wassalaam.
     
  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    maybe the brothers from dawat e islami and sunni dawat e islami have the basis of going out from this verse [9:122]:

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    you can read its tafsir here. as for why they don't just do this in their local masjid, it's probably just psychological, as bro. madani alluded. going away somewhere probably makes the travellers more serious about learning etc.
     
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  11. Madani

    Madani Active Member

    Also the prospect that i would get the chance to try and encourage people from other cities - I have noticed that people especially youth tend to me more inclined to listen to people they dont know..as they say "Karay na peer ola hona hein"
     
  12. Madani

    Madani Active Member

    salam, maybe it mostly due to knowing that your going out of town? I know my first qafila in 2001 was from nottingham to bradford and honestly because i was just coming onto deen i thought it would just be great to seclude myself in a masjid for 3 days, get the chance to pray in Jamaat 5 times a day, learn things that i couldnt make time for due to distractions at school and home and also the thought of going to another city (one that i hadnt ever been to)

    also i have noticed from local Qafila's there is too much temptation to drop in at home for a few hours and see whats going on lol
     
  13. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Can some brother please explain the philosophy behind travelling in kafilas? That this methodology is quite effective cannot be doubted, courtesy the success of TWO organizations that have adopted this(one from the ahlussunnah, the other from the yonder ....).

    Travelling for seeking i'lm that is not available at your place or to spread it to other places is not just obvious but also a cornerstone of the great sunnah of amr-bil-ma'roof-wa-nahi-anil-munkar . But what are the benefits/philosophy of learning things at a distant mosque if it can equally well be done at the local mosque? wouldn't it save a lot of time and resources too?

    Please enlighten me.

    Jazkallah. Wassalaam.
     

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