Pir Mahroof and JTI

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  1. HajiNaushah

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  2. HajiNaushah

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    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co...rmer-imam-unfairly-dismissed-bradford-mosque/

    “The respondent’s concerns were not limited to the public nature of his expression of his views, but also to the trustees being brought into disrepute, as they saw it, in terms of the implication of their own religious beliefs diverging from the Sunni creed.”

    Threte is still no statement from JTI on why they allowed Irfan Mashadi to be the guest speaker at Westgate Masjid until the death of Mahroof Hussain.

    Will Irfan Mashadi be returning to lecture at the Masjid in the near future?
     
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  3. HajiNaushah

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  5. HajiNaushah

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    At 18 onwards Muhaqqiq Frashwi just falls short on declaring Mahroof Hussain as the Mujaddid of Europe.

    Fast forward to 52 minutes and ironically Fazal Derby takes the podium and declares Mahroof Hussain as the Mujaddid of Britain.
     
  6. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Well-Known Member

    Sad to see how asrar rashid is behaving these days.. looks like on the path and way of celebrity scholars...
    The day he his poison stunt and was hospitalized (what if he died he would have made mockery of deen)

    No doubt some here will argue that he has done good, but then so did many sulh kullis. So did nuh keller hamza trash and others..

    If this is the yardstick to measure then i don't have anything more to say...
     
  7. HajiNaushah

    HajiNaushah Active Member

    Mawlana please do not spread 'news' that is based on 'vivid evidence'.

    Ahsan and Liaqat at JTI are more likely to respond to your letter if you send them a kind chaser message.

    I am sure JTI will release a public statement, when and if Irfan Shah has been relieved of his duties at the Westgate Masjid. Until then we must wait and see.

    Any such statement then should clarify which Trustees allowed him to lead Jummah at the Masjid for the last couple of years.
     

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  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    in sha'Allah.

    a necessary disclaimer though: while the dream could indicate that pir sahib was forgiven and attained success in the hereafter (note it is just a sign and only Allah knows the truth), this does not wash away any errors of ommission or commission on the part of pir sahib and does not give legitimacy to all his actions.

    irfan shah should be removed from all sunni platforms and for every one of his shia pronouncements - thrust that video in his face where he made the entire people in the masjid to yell "kafir kafir". [btw i did not agree with him on that one too]
     
  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    until irfan shah repents and expressly declares that he does not follow the rafidi creed in all its forms - overall in general, and in specific aqidah points - such as criticising sahabah, making false allegations, insinuations etc which is hallmark of rawafid: until such a time, he is mubtadiy and should be removed from sunni masjids.

    past actions will not wash away current sins; for past actions to be considered in one's favour, the person should be in good standing at present.

    every criminal before being a criminal has a 'good record'. only a fool will judge his current crimes based on past record - except when one pleads ignorance or inadvertence. that is, if someone does a mistake and acknowledges it, he can be forgiven based on his past record - provided he accepts his mistake and shows remorse for such an error.

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    as for maroof shah sahib, the brother said:
    i can agree. we can give him the benefit of doubt - though that will not extend to irfan shah or pir sahib's son or others.

    i have seen old people - ailing people or otherwise - when relatives and people around them decide to conceal information. my father's elder brother was in his nineties (and passed away in covid under ventilator) and my father's younger brother passed away (he was in his eighties). we decided not to tell him - though the family went in batches for condolence. and another elderly relative, whose young son-in-law passed away in covid was not informed of the death for nearly one year - as the elderly person was already under treatment for his own age related illnesses. am sure all of you will have such experiences personally or about someone around you.

    it is quite possible that people around pir sahib concealed this info about irfan shah's going astray.
    unless of course, there is evidence otherwise - that people met pir sahib and apprised him of the situation, and yet he dismissed it.

    i do not know of the ground situation - so my views are based purely on assumptions. it is quite possible that irfan shah had pushed him to the dark side - and he was well aware and he ignored protests. wAllahu a'alam. however, husn zann is desirable and merits reward.
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    given that pir sahib did good work for ahlus sunnah in the past - and has not publicly condoned or supported rafizi/tafzili positions per se (to the best of my knowledge), we can have a good opinion about him.

    however, sh. asrar may have a small problem convincing others, because some may question his own creds - especially as he appears to have no restrictions or any ground rules for his association with mubtadiys for whatever reasons. i don't know - maybe he has some. if someone knows, they can post here.

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    JTI was built by maroof shah sahib, as i understand, with money of sunnis. so pir sahib probably had the right to say: 'i built it' and i suppose even if he was remiss concerning irfan shah or his shenanigans - due to his past work with JTI, people looked the other way.

    but now that he is gone, anyone who does not adhere to sunni principles must be kicked out without second thought.

    and i believe, those demonstrations against JTI demanding accountability should return - and i think it will resonate more now.

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    nas'alu Allah al aafiyah.
     
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  11. HajiNaushah

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    Dream of Asrar narrated by JTI

    Shaykh Asrar Rashid:

    I've only mentioned this to two people before. I saw Pir Sahib in a dream almost a week before he passed away. Pir Sahib was dressed in white and had a white head scarf.
    His beard was black. He looked young as if he was in his late 20s or early 30s. He was in his library. After he passed away, I reminded those people of the dream I had, and it drew a connection with the passing away of Pir Sahib. It seemed as if the white dress and the age of Pir Sahib were a sign, as we know that that people in Jannah will be in their late 20s or early 30s.
     

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  12. HajiNaushah

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    Posted by Aqdas earlier on in the week

    OPEN LETTER TO Syed Muhammad Ahsan Shah AND Liaqat Hussain Naushahi

    This communication is written with utmost sincerity and only out concern for the future of Ahl al-Sunnah. There are no personal interests or feelings at play and all that is said below is with the best of intentions.

    If there were personal reasons involved, we would not have supported the same person named below from the same platform prior to his going wayward.

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    At the recent funeral in Bradford, the son of Irfan Shah, Azka, was given the opportunity to address a large Sunni crowd. Moreover, at the khatm in Pakistan, Irfan Shah himself was given the honour to speak.

    As you are aware, there are major objections that scholars of Ahl al-Sunnah have on the newfound creed of Irfan Shah and his ilk.

    Because you have accorded him the chance to speak, the Sunni public and scholars alike are immensely perturbed that a speaker who has left the boundaries of Ahl al-Sunnah continues to be treated as a Sunni and still gets the privilege to address Sunnis and mislead them. He has already misguided so many of his followers towards shiah ideology.

    Allowing him a stage at JTI only reinforces the view that JTI is pleased with the current creed of Irfan Shah.

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    If you need to know and discuss why Irfan Shah is deviated, Sunni scholars are ready to explain this to you.

    Swift action must now be taken before more and more Sunnis are led astray. That is, Irfan Shah must not be allowed to speak at any of your platforms henceforth.
     
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  13. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Should Irfan Shah be imam at Westgate?
     
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  14. HajiNaushah

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    *Open Letter in the Name of Sayyid Ahsan Sharafat Naushahi*

    From Sayyid Mufti Mahmood Hussain Hashmi and scholars of Jhelum especially and scholars of Pakistan generally

    Congratulations for promising to remain firm upon your beliefs on the occasion of your father's funeral. However the Shah of Bhikki Sharif has been seen everywhere with you on the stage. This is a matter of confusion and all scholars of Ahl-us-Sunnah raise an objection upon this because that Shah has been openly insulting the Companions of the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم for some time and he is an insulter.

    If this rejected one had insulted your father you would never allow him to sit near you but you have paid no notice to him being an insulter of the Companions رضي الله عنهم.

    Islam and Iman have exited from his heart hence the following requests are put to you:

    (1) If you have no knowledge of this Shah being an insulter then we are ready to inform you of this.

    (2) If you already know of him opposing Islam, the Qur'an and Hadith then seeing this wretch sat besides you on your stage is a time of reflection.

    (3) Remove this wretch from preaching in the Masjid in Britain if it is within your power and prevent him from entering the pure seminary in Jhelum Pakistan so that it becomes apparent you are a true Muslim and true Sunni.

    It is hoped that you will swiftly reply thereby granting an opportunity to thank you.

    Salam
     

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  15. Waqar786

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    One thing I have noticed a lot within Indo/Pak ulema is there unwillingness to sit down and clarify matters. Their opinion is 'harf-e-akhir' and will go to painstaking lengths to make it seem that. Their ego gets in the way and their refusal to see the bigger picture or deploy wisdom is why desi sunnis are in the mire they in. We need objectivity and a heart felt desire to want 'khayr' for others rather than find opportunities to slam them.
     
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  16. Waqar786

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    That is not what I understood from the speech but rather what Ahsan Shah was saying don't move left or right from my beliefs (pir sahib's beliefs) which are the same beliefs that Pir Sahib entered the UK with. He was not referring to the beliefs of Irfan Shah.





    I agree that syed Ahsan Shah has through his actions vindicated the deviancy of Irfan Shah because the latter has not repented/retracted from his recent beliefs/statements.



    I don't think there is evidence of Pir Sahib explicitly endorsing the deviant beliefs of Irfan Shah. With their age and ailing health, it's possible that they have been misinformed in regards to Irfan Shah as his followers consistently say that he is on the same manhaj that he was 50 years ago.

    However, Ahsan Shah has no excuses because he has held meetings with Irfan Shah and still allows him to come to JTI, so must clarify why Irfan Shah remains a Sunni despite his deviant beliefs. Why did Ahsan Shah's father bring Irfan Shah to the UK and is that the same Irfan Shah that we see today?
     
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  17. Ethical_Barelvi

    Ethical_Barelvi Active Member

    Very much Ironic.

    The Majority of Shayoookh, Ulemah were present at the Janazah Salah of Pir Mahroof, present in the JTI Central Masjid. Amongst those Muefikkir e Islam Allamah Qamar uz Zaman Azmi who one of the seniour Ulemah who has worked with Pir Mahroof in the late 70- 80s.

    Moreover in Pakistan, many Ulemah and Astana's were in attendance and paid their condolence's to their son Sayid Ahsan Shah.

    The quest continues, which 'Akabir' Ulemah in the UK will push for clarification? We all know the answer.

    Mufti Zahid Jalali sat with Sayid Ahsan Shah few days ago, he is also a former student at the Jamia.

    Pir Mahroof deserves respect on his name, he is the pioneer of Sunni (Barelvi) Islam in these parts. Like or not it is a name that is etched in stone, any UK alim has a connection to him directly or indirectly.
     
  18. Waqar786

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  19. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Well-Known Member

    *IN THE NAME OF ALLAH THE COMPASSIONATE THE MERCIFUL*

    *ANALYSIS OF AHSAN SHAH'S SPEECH AT THE JANAZAH*

    1. Allowing Azka Shah (son of Irfan Shah) to deliver a speech is clear evidence that Ahsan Shah is, as before, firm upon keeping Irfan Shah as the preacher in the Central Masjid. It is proven that Irfan Shah has deviant beliefs such as the disparagement of the Noble Prophetic Companions رضي الله عنهم, ascribing superiority to the Pure Prophetic Family رضي الله عنهم above the Holy Qur'an in a certain way, preaching the Shi'ah creed via a fabricated narration and deeming the superiority of Hadrat Siddiq-e-Akbar رضي الله عنه as unreliable. In summary he has kufr and Rafidi beliefs, the detail of which is present in its own place.

    2. Keeping Irfan Shah as a preacher is clear evidence that Ahsan Shah's beliefs are the very same as Irfan Shah's deviant beliefs. Therefore Ahsan Shah has proven that his beliefs are deviant, some of which are kufr and some are Rafidi beliefs.

    3. Ahsan Shah stated that two years ago Pir Sahib advised and instructed him to remain upon these very same beliefs and not to turn left or right. This means that whatever beliefs are held by Irfan Shah, they are the very same beliefs which he holds and that he will not move Irfan Shah left nor right. From this it is proven that Pir Sahib held and adhered to deviant beliefs.

    In conclusion Jamiyat Tabligh-ul-Islam has passed into unsafe hands in terms of creed and this opposes the creed of Ahl-us-Sunnah. Rather it is against the very creed upon which Jamiyat Tabligh-ul-Islam is registered.

    This is because keeping a Rafidi person as a preacher is completely opposed to Islamic law, the law of Ahl-us-Sunnah and the creed of A'la Hazrat Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi رحمه الله تعالى.

    Therefore it is evident from this speech that Pir Sahib, Ahsan Shah and their responsible persons have deviated from the creed of Ahl-us-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah.

    Those people who work for them, who praise and extol them, must repent and distance themselves from them otherwise there is severe seizure upon them. Furthermore Ahsan Shah's statement that Pir Sahib was upon the same beliefs which he held in the 1960s upon arrival to the UK is incorrect because at that time Irfan Shah did not hold deviant beliefs. This is a time of reflection for Ahl-us-Sunnah.

    Ustadh-ul-Ulama Shaykh-ul-Hadith Pir Mufti Muhammad Aslam Bandyalwi حفظه الله

    14th Muharram 1446 Hijri (20th July 2024 CE)

    *SUPPORTING FATWA OF MURID-E-KHAS OF HUZUR MUFTI-E-A'ZAM HIND رحمه الله تعالى& EMINENT SCHOLAR FROM BAREILLY SHARIF MUFTI MUHAMMAD SHAFI'-UR-RAHMAN KHAN RIZAWI BIHARI حفظه الله*

    Whatever the leader of teachers Hadrat Allamah Mufti Muhammad Aslam Bandyalwi دامت فيوضهم و برکاتهم has written regarding Jamiyat Tabligh-ul-Islam is absolutely correct and fully clarifies matters. I fully support this statement. Repentance is necessary upon Ahsan Shah and his comrades in order to enter Ahl-us-Sunnah.

    Shaykh Mufti Muhammad Shafi'-ur-Rahman Khan Rizawi حفظه الله
     
  20. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Well-Known Member

    Syed Muhammad Ahsan Shah sahb need to say if they endorse Irfan Shahs aqida or not. It is not enough to say that we follow Sunni aqida as even tafzilis and irfan shah say this. We wait.

    And if shah Sahb don't clarify the onus is on the Ulama Kiram to request clarification or leave them until they do
     
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