As-Salaam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu, You raise an important point about the Hanafi position on hadath after tashahhud. Let me clarify this concisely: The Hanafi view is that while the prayer remains technically valid if hadath occurs after tashahhud, this is absolutely not the preferred or recommended way to end salah. It's merely a ruling about technical validity, not about what's proper or optimal. Think of it like this: Just because something doesn't invalidate your prayer doesn't mean it's good practice. It's similar to how speaking immediately after tashahhud (before salam) wouldn't invalidate the prayer in the Hanafi madhab, but it's certainly not the proper way to complete it. This position is often misrepresented by critics who ignore: The context of the ruling The difference between mere validity vs. proper conduct The emphasis Hanafi scholars place on completing prayer with proper adab Would you like specific references from other Hanafi texts that discuss the impropriety of deliberately ending prayer this way?
Asalam Alaikum Shaykh, Didn't Imām Tirmidhī, Dāraquṭnī, Bayhaqī and Khaṭṭābī weaken this ḥadīth due ʿAbdurraḥmān bin Ziyad on the account of it being inconsistent. Allāh Knows Best.
may Allah reward your efforts and other members who contributed to this thread. I have just realized that it is probably better to keep the questions I have to the other original thread made. in sha Allah I will do this from now on.
you must tell those salafis, why don't they follow the hadith in abu dawud and tirmidhi: abu dawud, #617 reported by abdullah ibn amr that RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam said: "when the imam has completed his salat and is seated [in the final sitting] and then become ritually impure [hadath] before he speaks - then his salat is complete, and the salat of those praying behind him are among those who have completed their salat. --- the hadith of tirmidhi is even more clear: RasulAllah SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam said: "if a man becomes ritually impure [aHdatha] and is seated in the last sitting of salat before he could do salam, his salat is still valid" ==== in sha'Allah, i will mention the hanafi hukm which brothers have already mentioned in their replies. it is farD to come out of salat by a deliberate action [khuruj bi sun'yihi] such as tasleem, [saying the word as-salam is wajib] thus, if someone comes out of salat by talking or doing any other action deliberately - then the salat might be complete, but it is wajib to repeat because of omitting the wajib of exiting the salat with the word: "assalamu" due to the instruction in the hadith [abu dawud, #618]: "the key of salat is purity; by takbir one enters the solemn state [taHrim of prayer] and is released [taHlil] by way of taslim [saying salam]" ----
Even the writing you quoted does NOT say it is optimal or "fine" to end salah other than through salaam. What is meant by salah being valid there is that the faraid of the salah will be completed and in that sense the salah will be complete/ valid, but it would be wajib to repeat it.
The 7th Fard of salah "Khurooj Bi Sunoo’i" After Qa’da-e-Aakhira, to make Salaam or converse or intentionally do such an action which is dissimilar to Namaaz (i.e. something that breaks the Namaaz). However, with the exception of Salaam, if any other action is done with intent, the Namaaz will become Waajib ul I’aada,i.e. compulsory to repeat. [Bahaar-e-Shariat, Book of Salah]
As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu After researching more on the issues that people seem to level against the Hanafi madhab (jzk khayr for the input on my last thread, highly beneficial), I have tried to research more about hadath occurring after tashahhud. I have actually managed to find the topic talked about in my English copy of Mukhtasar al-Quduri. He states that if deliberately acquiring minor impurity, speaking or doing something which is contrary to the nature of salah, is done after tashahhud, the salah is valid. Does anyone have any other writings on this topic that explain that we do not consider it optimal or "fine" to end salah this way? the salafis circulate this like crazy to hate on the madhhab however I have heard that it may be even sinful to end salah like this? since of course we do not consider it the optimal way to end the salah. seems extremely dishonest to level this against us. jazakumAllahu khayran
