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Discussion in 'Miscellany' started by Ridawi78692, Mar 30, 2015.
Lol your lost bro..i think you dont understand english..il deal with you inabit..
There is no Qaida-e-Kulliya saying every Murid follows his Pir to the letter. Hardly anyone follows Taaj al-Shariat in rulings in the UK so your naming Murids is irrelevant.
Sorry, don't have time to play 'go ask him' and 'this shaykhs murid does this' etc.
if you can get an official statement from the murids of what their shaykh has said, it would be welcome.
A reference for what Allama Shaami and Ala Hazrat have said would be welcome.
Pir Thaqib Shaami hasn't provided any book regarding the beard. Why is this ikthilaf accepted and not the one regarding fasts?
Read this youl find out what azhari miya says via his khalifah.
How can i give you the proof when the conversations took place over the phone..a year or so back.
Look at what maulana kalim and maulana hussain follows..look at what maulana qasims says(mureed of muhadith e kabir). Its clear and not hidden regarding what the opinion is.
I cant giv u evidences for someat what took place on the phone..
I am not doubting anyone. I am just asking whether Taaj al-Shariat, Muhadith e Kabir and Sayyid Madani Miya all agree with the Nisf al-Layl formula? I am not saying they do or don't.
Also, I want a reference for where Allama Shaami and Ala Hazrat have said the Nisf al-Layl forumla is correct during Ramadan.
I ain't arguing with you brother but saying ask this person or that person isn't proving the stance of the scholars you mentioned.
I will wholeheartedly accept it if you get me an official statement of the scholars or their representatives.
Listen dont get technical..saa kin, i sent you the link for the book, go through it and read it, very easily you will find them....look at the fatwa what mufti zahid hussain has given on the issue..he is the khalifa of azhari miya.
Allama yunus misbahi told me in person that mufti akhtar raza said these times of 2:3-30 are incorrect..i trust him, you may not..
I cant give you proofs about something which took place on the phones between murids and their murshids..maulana qasim is a mureed of muhadith e kabir, go and check what he does..youl find out..
Please provide proof. I can't accept 'ask this person'. Furthermore, provide references for your claims of Allama Shaami's and Ala Hazrats stances.
I will ask mufti saab when they get back what happened..but all of you brothers need to do your homework and find out what principal is being used..
Like i said, you would have to approach them or Mufti Sahib for clarity, just because "big scholars of the UK" have taken their "hats off to him" doesnt mean diddly squat, doesnt negate the fact that they met.
The reality is, the issue wont be settled if there's ego's involved which is a shame. Mufti Sham's has done his job in conveying what he believes to be the correct position, whether the awam follow him is a different matter.
Allah reward him for his efforts.
The principal which mufti shams uses is nisf ul lail, clear cut, now tell me what the principal is to get the time of 3:30 and 2:30 there isnt a name other than "i feel like, if we keep it to 1 then there wont be a second tarweeh, money loss, and the public will say we ered for years, then wel be kicked out of the mosques" lol
Lol.. I dont believe thats true, the guy nows what hes talkimg about, big big scholars of the uk have took thier hats of to him for the knowledge he has got regarding ilm ul hayah, brother a new book will be coming very very soon, more comprehensive than shams ul anwar, these fake shaykhies will find out what day and time it is then...
Whilst i do agree this issue should be addressed and settled now rather than later, the diffences are valid.
I'm not sure if you're aware but last year Mufti Shams was approached by a few students from Birmingham, Mawlana Sjaad was from amongst them.
You should approach these guys and find out what wqs said because from what i know, Mufti Shams conceded that it was a valid according to their research but refused to budge from his position.
Allah knows best.
1)Mureeds of muhadith e Kabir and madni miya have asked both these luminaries about the situation in uk, they have both said follow the nisf-ul-lail principal. With regards to azhari miya, he came to uk years ago and noticed the time for sehri is wrong and then told his people to follow nisf ul laid principal in summer nights, ask mufti zahid if you don't believe me!
2)Saqib shame will bring some kind of proof from books, all I'm saying to you is ask the people to provide a book like mufti shams has or ask them for a written fatwa regarding their evidence and proof for their decision, they haven't got an answer, I've sat with them both parties, why will I lie to you, we were at ummah channel studios and the other team were absolutely bottling it, making excuses like "we left our books at home" when they knew they were coming to discuss the issue. No proof at all I tell you, not one book or fatwa has been given in their proof, one guy called "haji liquat" who isn't even a scholar or anything has been plucking stuff out of air which doesn't even make sense, no tasdeeq from scholars or anything at all. Don't think its a personal attack, like that everyone has evidences, go to an atheist he will give you evidences..hazrat these scholars who push the 2-00-3:30 time are not experts in the field of "ilm ul hayah", they may be good in other areas but they are not clued up in this field, it's a fact..khawaja muzaffar Husain who was an expert In astronomy who has now passed away, told mufti shams that in hanafi fiqh he has the only principal..I'm not being offensive, last year a big pir no names mentioned claimed he was going to do "mushahada" but the man was wearing glasses, he doesn't fulfil the criteria of mushahada....
3) http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/222944358 read this about timetables, you will find out all quotes are in it...
Those who do sehri later have their own daleels and proofs...
Just like Allamah Pir Thaqib Shaami has his own research on the beard, these people too have their own research on this matter.
Out of curiosity though, what have Taaj al-Shariat, Muhadith e Kabeer and Sayyid Madani Miya stated on this issue? Any recordings or rulings in which they have told us their opinion?
Also, since you have mentioned Allama Shaami and Ala Hazrat, please post what they have to say on this matter.
"Furuhi" what an excuse to allow people to eat when fajr has startedd!
What are you on about..if someone gets up and stars opening roza at asr time, you are gonna kick a farse up.. Not only dawateislami give this fatwa..mufti akhtar raza has given this time..muhaddith e kabeer has, madni miya has, sunni dawateislami brothers follow this..all the misbahi team in blackburn follow this.. The matter is that the other timetables are making people eat food in fajr time which means there fasts are void..its not a difference of opinion like that of imam abu hanifa and imam shafi, they differed but had principals over which they differed, in this case the other party uses stupid excuses like, "oh theres hadith e dajjal what are you going to do in them times",or theyl say "what about im countries where theres dark for 6months and day for 6 months" ABSOLUTELY STUPID THICK JAHILS GO AND READ WHAT ALA HAZRAT AND THE HANAFI FUQAHA HAVE STATED, READ ALLAMA SHAAMIS FATWA,READ DURR AND RADD..RIDICULOUS DONT TAKE IT LIGHTLY, they are killing peoples fast..hypocrites!
These are furui masayil. No need to kick up such a big fuss.
Salaam to all the sunni bredrin out there,
I was thinking that as it is getting close the month of ramadhan al kareem..the times for sehri are going to be another big controversy if matters are not dealt with now..i think all sunnis on here need to start talking to the local ulama and committee members and tell them clearly that the 2:00-3:30 times is an absolute farse..if we start pushing the issue early the ulama may deal with it properly, if we leave everything till the last few weeks it gets too tight and then stupid excuses like "our calenders have been printed" start to be used. I think the ulama need to deal with it now, it creates a lot of confusion at the time and also weakens the ahle sunnah..SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.. The ulama who push the 2:00-3:30 times have got NO AND I SAY IT AGAIN NO! Evidences or principal at all! Its all about ego! Im gonna rip through all of them this year if they make rubbish excuses, its beyond a joke..like its a nafl or sumat..