Rumors about naat khwans

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  1. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    indeed a few lines from Ala Hazrat's poetry are sometimes more weighty and beneficial than hours of lectures by some speakers.
  2. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    just to make things a bit more clear: long ago when I had almost drowned in the bewildering eddies of wahabism, the one thing that still kept me connected to sunni Islam was alahazrat's ('alayhirraHmah) poetry. seriously.

    We must not underestimate the power of poetry, it is a tool that engages the heart directly, a medium with which the multitude, the masses with varying levels of understanding and temperaments, can be communicated with on a far deeper level than prose. See the fame of al-Busiri, Saadi, Galib, Iqbal et al. Not to mention that the Qur'an is in the form of verses rather than prose. Your sentiments are admirable brother snaqsh but, as they say, we mustn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    وَکَذٰلِکَ جَعَلْنٰکُمْ اُمَّۃً وَّسَطًا لِّتَکُوۡنُوۡا شُہَدَآءَ عَلَی النَّاسِ وَیَکُوۡنَ الرَّسُوۡلُ عَلَیۡکُمْ شَہِیۡدًاؕ

  4. snaqshi

    snaqshi Active Member

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    I'll will give you something to think about, which to me is the biggest shame, when you have a extremely sound and profound alim such as e.g. Mufti ahle sunnat as-Shaykh Allama Ansar ul Qadiri, who people call to a mehfil they might give him X-amount, but when it comes to the naat khawaan the very same people will give the naat khawaan between 3-10 time more money. I have seen this and witness this on many occasions. yet no one has the [FAHSH] to stand up and challenge these mosque committees/committee members on why they are doing such a thing, is your intention to have a "jolly", oh lets all have a sing along and feel happy, whilst we, our children, brothers and sister are drowning under the barrage of attacks from the ghair muqalideen, khawarij, psuedo-sufi's and blatantly anti-islamic media. yet when ask them to fetch a scholar to teach us the deen they say it costs to much and we cannot afford it? whats this hypocrisy that's entered our way?

    I would prefer to sit 10 minutes in the sohbet of Mufti ahle sunnat as-Shaykh Allama Ansar ul Qadiri then 10 years listen to the likes of owais raza and the pseudo-sunni shahid qamer freedi
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  5. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    No doubt unbeknown..totally agree.
  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I never said that but this thread was not a good choice either. If chisti-raza and agent-x had not provided info then many readers might have come off having a very bad impression about owais qadri. To some people he may be 'just a naat khwan' but there are others who opine that he has played a very important role in popularizing the poetry of alaHazrat, even some very difficult verses which would otherwise appear quite dry to the uninitiated and as such he deserves respect. Besides, if writing naath is a worthy endeavor then reciting it with a sincere heart is also worthwhile, not to mention it is a sunnah of the sahaba and so we should not look down upon naath-khwans as some second-class, money-hungry workers of ahlussunnah. At its proper place and time everything has its importance.

    I couldn't find the bayaan online. I tried this video. If you have a link please post it, simply for the record. jazakAllah for the info anyways.

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  7. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Thanks for that information nafees..
  8. Nafees

    Nafees New Member

    Haji Imran was in his 7th year at Dar-ul-Uloom Amjadiyya in Karachi when he took over as Nigran-e-Shura, following the passing of Haji Mushtaq (rehmatullah alayhi) in 2002. This was mentioned by Maulana Ilyas Qadri Sahib (damat barkatuhum aaliya) himself in his bayan ('Haji Mushtaq Ka Teeja') if you wish to look it up.
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  9. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Sorry abu hasan
  10. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Brother, its more common that haji imran gives bayaans and so on, whereas owais qadri its allways been hes just a naat khwaan. Its not that i hav any grudge towards him, i listen to him day and night. I just asked the questions as i was personally curious.
  11. snaqshi

    snaqshi Active Member

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    I didn't think you were being serious (my apologies) I am about 1 hours drive south of manchester..........LOL
  12. snaqshi

    snaqshi Active Member

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    According to my small amount of understanding black colour was preferred by the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) on the day of the victory of Macca, a black turban was on the Prophet sallahu alayhi was salams head (Tirmidhi Shareef), so this is why the fuqaha have deemed wearing white as mustahab, but in most cases the Beloved of Allah sallahu alayhi was salams wore white.

    Imaam Ja’afar Saadiq was asked, “Can women wear black clothes and pray.” He replied, “No, because black is the colour of the clothes of the people ofhellfire.” He also said,“Alee said the Messenger of Allaah said to his companions do not wear black clothes as it isthe dress of Fir’aun.” (Kitaab ManLaa Yakhsar al Faqeeyah Maa Yaslee Feehee).

    Also, “….do not rip your clothes nor wear black clothes or lament and mourn” [Furu al-Kaafee, (2/128)]. Note both books are books written by shiah.

    in Al-Aadab al-Sharia by Muhammad bin Mufleh al-Hanbali, Volume 4 page 219 under the chapter: ‘Wearing black and its disliking by Ahmad if it was the cloth of the unjust’:

    وقيل فمن ترك ثيابا سوداء يحرقها الوصي
    ‘It has been said that whoever left a black cloth, the inheritor should burn it down’

    قال الخلال عن المروذي عنه وهذا يقتضي تحريمه
    ‘Al-Khalal narrated from al-Maruzi that he said that it should be Haraam’

    وسأل الإمام أحمد المتوكل أن يعفيه من لبس السواد
    ‘Imam Ahmad radi allahu ta'ala anho asked the Mutwakil to exempt him from wearing black’.

    وسلم رجل على أحمد فلم يرد عليه وكان عليه جبة سوداء
    ‘A man greeted Imam Ahmad radi allahu ta'ala anho but he didn’t reply because he was wearing black.’.

    Ayatullah Bahjat says: “…It is mentioned in the books of the as’haab (shia faqihs) that wearing certain clothing during prayers is makruh. For example, it is makruh to wear black clothing except for the turban, the khuff (leather sock) and the kisaa (cloak)’.” [Jami’ al-Masaa’il of Ayatullah Bahjat, vol. 1, pg. 314]

    عدة من اصحابنا عن احمد بن ابي عبدالله عن بعض اصحابه رفعه قال: كان رسول الله يكره السواد الا في ثلاث الخف و العمامة و الكساء” [Furu’ al-Kaafi, vol. 6, the book of clothing and adornment, the chapter on wearing black, hadith 1, pg. 449.]

    Now, the wearing of white clothing is evident from the prevalent habit of the Prophet sallahu alayhi was salams (SaHeeH Bukhari). It is for this reason; Islamic jurists have established the istihbaab (recommendation) of the white colour in clothing. They state, “White is mustahab (recommended)” (Al Dur Al Mukhtaar).

    Imam Abu Dawood has narrated from Rimthah (r) that he saw upon the Prophet’s (صلى الله عليه وسلم) body two green coloured sheets. (Fath Al Baari)

    Some jurists are of the opinion that green colour garments are one of the sunnahs of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم). They have also stated, “Wearing green is a sunnah” (Rad Al Muhtar).

    It should be noted that the use of black clothing to mourn and express grief for the deceased is not permissible. “Wearing black coloured clothing is not permissible with the intent of mourning over the dead” (Alamghiri) and as such, I have heard from the shuyukh I have sat with that wearing black on especially on the 10 days of muharam al haram is i mukruh, since this is the actions of the ahle Tasheeyu.

    Personally speaking brother I have nothing against the ahle Tasheeyu (shiah) as long as:

    (1) The do not insult or swear at the Shay5ayn

    (2) Do not swear and insult the Ummahaat ul Mu’mineen (may Allah bless them all), especially our Mother, Umm ul Munineen Sayyeda A’ishah radi allahu ta’ala anha.

    (3) Insult and course our master, Sayyedina Mawiyyah radi allahu ta’ala anho or insult and curse the Companions (May Allah bless).

    (4) Apply taqiyyah when attending sunni mehfils claiming to be sunni, singing qasa’id and nasheeds for worldly gain and deceiving “joe public” into believing they are sunni when in fact the are mutasab shiah.
  13. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    may I put the same question to those who can answer it without feeling hurt and without assuming ill-intentions on my part:

    "Haji Imran Attari an alim? Has he personally said this, where did he study?"

    since I've only ever heard him say that he is not one, on more than one occasion. It's a different thing if he's well read and so people consider him an alim. It may be he's studied at one of the many jami'ahs run by DI but has he ever said this himself?
  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    attari sab please change your profile picture. read the rules if you haven't.
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  15. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    haven't the foggiest.

    when a brother who knows owais qadri personally has told us that he doesn't demand any amount, then that should be suffice. we even have a video where owais qadri says, 'I don't demand any amounts'.

    end of story.

    as for other na'at khwans like shahbaz, I don't listen to clean shaven fussaq who perform for tahir jhangvi and wish sunnis would stop inviting such people to their events.
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  16. agent-x

    agent-x Well-Known Member

    Ma Sha Allah

    Ive also heard he has Mufti Faiz Ahmed Owaisi work printed and distributed for free. Ive never asked him personally but was told by a mureed of Mufti Sahib
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  17. agent-x

    agent-x Well-Known Member

    Ive spent a lot of time with him, ive been around him when he has been with people he knows and ive been around him when he has been with people he has never met. I am yet to see him being rude or ill mannered to anyone.

    What I have noticed is when someone gives Salaam and they dont say it properly he will thell them its important to say it properly and how it should be said. Not sure if this is what brothers consider ill mannered.

    Ive learned a lot from him by just sitting with him with out even asking questions.

    The other day we were sat eating and he started telling us about Awliya and how they would eat how they would prepare food for guests and then would eat what was left over for weeks.

    He told us Mufti Azam e Hinds way of asking something (food or drink).

    Brother Aqdas wouldnt know as brother Aqdas did not pay him.
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  18. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Brother aqdas when he came to north jamia manchester how much did he take?
  19. Abu al-Qasim

    Abu al-Qasim Active Member

    That is quite common knowledge, or it is information that is quite commonly spread, that Haji Owais Qadri Sahib is an `alim, I also heard he went back to a jami`ah to study for a while, just as he was starting to become a bit famous. Bear in mind it is not necessary for a person to have completed the entire `alim course to be classed as an `alim. There is no reason why a capable student won't fulfill the basic shara'it of `alimiyyat by the time he is in the 4th or 5th year of Dars-i Nizami.

    And just to add, having met the man myself, and had an (admittedly fairly short) opportunity to observe him and talk to him, I can tell you he wasn't what I expected. Brothers had said to me beforehand that he is rude, abrasive and ill mannered in person, but he seemed to have good akhlaq and generally seemed like a nice person. But agent x will know more than me, I only really met and talked with him once.
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  20. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    Brother, I've seen Owais Qadiri Sahib give his entire nazrana to Darul Ulooms here in SA and trust me they were not small amounts. So whoever says what, ignore them.

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