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Discussion in 'Hanafi Fiqh' started by Haroon, Sep 21, 2006.

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  1. Haroon

    Haroon Guest

    necessities can make the impermissable permissable for the length of the necessity. For a man to have such an extension would require that the man exposes his awrah to other people which is clearly haram and cannot become halal for such a reason as his wife wanting him to.
     
  2. what about penile extensions? are they allowed? if a wife is not happy with the size of her husband's Richard, can she ask him to have an extension?
     
  3. Haroon

    Haroon Guest

    if we did live in an underwater civilisation, then according to those schools who say that anything from the water is halal to eat (as opposed to just fish which we hanafis say) then would not it be ok to eat each other...

    ok forget that ridiculousness,

    about suicide and medicine. I remember being told (or reading was it) that if a person is starving to death and all there is is pork which will keep him alive, then it is wajib for him to eat that pork as the preservation of life takes priority, but if he doesnt take it its not suicide.

    about the original question....

    as we know, when it comes to substance, that which makes from haram to halal is istihalah - ie there is enough of a transformation in body from one state to another (this is an arguament some use for consumption of gelatine). Now unlike other vital parts of a man's body, this vital part is haram for another man to look at - so surely this would mean that he cannot have it from someone else!!!

    although have to stay, its hard not to laugh....hehe...
     
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    what does the questioner mean by underwater civilization? it is a cruel fact of everyday life that humans cannot breathe under water [unless of course, you have gillyweed]. so i assume we must be talking of living underwater in a glass-dome. in which case the same rules as that of terra-firma apply.

    if we are talking of somehow living in water like fish, then the Hanafi madh'hab is the best to follow.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
  5. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    virtual sex? hmm..
     
  6. tazkiyya2003

    tazkiyya2003 Active Member

    I guess another point is that if we have robots who have AI.
    If we capture the enemies robots in battle..
    is it permissible to use them for virtual sex
    in qiyaas to maa malakat aymaanuhum?
     
  7. tazkiyya2003

    tazkiyya2003 Active Member

    shaykh abdal hakeem murad mentioned in a talk
    that someone asked him
    if humans create an underwater civilisation
    ...would there be a need for wudu?

    the shaykh said...i don't know and i don't know anyone
    who knows the answer to this
     
  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the quality of a man's life is also improved if he is in a better financial situation. if a person can find a job relatively easily in a bar, disco or a make money by playing poker, or even lending money on interest he has better opportunities. so would that be unobjectionable as well?

    the point is to improve quality of life WITHOUT violating islamic principles. we are trying to examine whether such a practice violates any or not.

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    that is itself debatable. the reason why i have brought up this whole issue is to question those who permit organ transplants, in which case all my questions become quite relevant. for those who disallow it, they have said it in one line: 'no transplants.'

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    yes, but that does not mean it is absolute. that brings up another interesting issue of euthanasia which is tangentially discussed in islamic fiqh under tawakkul or reliance on Allah. some questions that are addressed:
    - is refusing medicine permissible?
    - if a person refusing medicine dies, is it considered suicide?
    - is it right to refuse a medication that is proven to be effective vs. medication that might possibly work but there is no evidence?

    so saving life or improving one's condition is a relative matter and sometimes they might not be going in the same direction.

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    there seem to be slips in logic here. firstly, the question is not about things that are unnatural - even though one aspect of transplants is that they are also unnatural. so anaesthesia is a form of losing consciousness under the influence of a drug. if it is for a genuine reason it is permissible as long as it is not wine/khamr. antibiotics can also be explained likewise.

    moreover, we must first define what do you mean by natural or unnatural; is eating yoghurt for a malady [supposing it cures some disease] any more natural than popping an antibiotic pill? after all bacteria are involved in both cases. or inject horse-serum as an antidote for cobra bite..

    that is the original question. are transplants legal?

    ivf treatments, yes - are they forbidden? if not, why? if a couple do not have children, is it that essential to have children from their own seed they have to resort to unnatural methods? why can't they adopt one of the millions of children that are orphan or abandoned?

    as far as i know, vasectomy as a form of birth-control is certainly forbidden unless there is a strong evidence that bearing a child may put the mother's life at risk. mufti azam hind - mawlana mustafa raza khan flatly rejected this voluntary family planning vide his fatwa during emergency in india; sunni a.k.a barelwi scholars accepted/supported the fatwa and were sent to jails in this period.

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    the very question of whether one can 'donate' his organ is questionable; that belonging to you begs answer pending that question.

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    anyway, if you read the article carefully experts deem that it was a cosmetic transplant and it did not really enhance the 'quality of life.' it would not really have functioned as the original etc, etc.

    if you ask me to answer objectively about organ transplants - i do not have answers; i am looking for them and asking yet. but i believe that a muslim should know that prolonging life in this world by any means possible is not their prime objective; and death is only a beginning.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2008
  9. huseyin

    huseyin Guest

    ı am agree with you
     
  10. Intrigued

    Intrigued Guest

    From my perspective, every organ but the brain is simply part of a network of supports for the brain, so I would say that any parts attached to me would become as much a part of me as the parts I was born with, as long as I did not have a brain transplant.
     
  11. tazkiyya2003

    tazkiyya2003 Active Member

    What about an eye transplant.
    Would looking at the relatives (mahram) of the man whose eyes one is given
    still be zina of the eyes...as those eyes have previously seen those relatives without sin...
    So the cornea/lens/retina have previously had those imprints anyway
     
  12. :s1:

    Hmm, Bro Abu Hasan, I think that in such a case having an organ transplant would improve the quality of a man's life and would therefore be unobjectionable. i think your questions are too finnicky. if organ transplants are ruled permissible, then i don't think it matters what organ it is. surely improving/saving a life is paramount in islam.

    if you argue it is unnatural, then a lot of modern medicine is unnatural. anaesthesia is not natural, but you wouldn't advocate operations without it?
    antibiotics aren't natural, yet you aren't against them? how about if a blind man has a corneal implant which makes him see? i think this is dangerous ground. how about IVF treatments? are they forbidden? or a vasectomy? that's not natural either!

    i think once an organ is attached to your body it is now a part of your body and hence yours.
     
  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,,1874817,00.html

    please, i am not trying to be funny. it is an important issue which we can discuss with resident scholars in our respective locations.

    organ donation is itself questionable; supposing organ donation is considered permissible and this particular case occurs, quite a few questions arise:

    - if such a man has intercourse, is it legitimate? because the organ of another man touches his spouse.

    - if the wife bears a child, is it legitimate or not; because undoubtedly the seed belongs to the legally wedded husband.

    - for shafiyis: would this annul his wuDu if he touches his part; because it is not his part.

    - and suppose such a transplant was done on a person when he was not a muslim; he then becomes a muslim. does he have it removed or does he function normally (in which case the questions raised above apply)?

    - and suppose intercourse is considered as adultery or necrophilia? will the woman be punished accordingly or the man?

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    and i shall tell them to alter that which Allah has created..[an-nisaa, v.119]
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2006

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