Shahid Ali accepts debate challenge

Discussion in 'Bickering' started by Ibrahim, Jan 26, 2022.

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  1. Ibrahim

    Ibrahim New Member

    What do you classify as a student? Has to be studying dars nizami? If so then that is a cop out. Any teacher who has his own driver that attends meetings and lessons with him is a student or very close associates or his mates whether you wish to admit it or not. What are they learning in all these drives across the UK with Sh Asrar?
  2. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    To be fair, this is just becoming a thread about random people on social media with their names being used etc. This is different to ostensibly public figures being discussed
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  3. Qadiri Faqir

    Qadiri Faqir New Member

    That is shameful and it should be brought up with Mufti Aslam Bandyalvi.

    If you have the screenshots brother please share them because it’s only fair to call them out as well. I made a comment after reading the screenshots posted by a brother below and some of the brothers instantly became defensive.
  4. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    None of the people mentioned are students of Shaykh Asrar.
  5. Sunni By Nature

    Sunni By Nature Active Member

    It’s not surprising to see such statuses from Allah Ditta Chakswari Attari AKA Ahmad Chakswari, he acts like a lion on Facebook but when the students of several Shuyukh and Pirs have confronted him he couldn’t even explain himself. The reality is that this guy is confused because He supports scholars one day and then opposes them the next. When there was propaganda against Shaykh Muhammad Aslam being spread, he shared indirect statuses and as soon as the Shaykh mentioned Ala Hadrat in one of his videos, he removed the posts and shared the video. He did the same thing with Sayyid Irfan Shah Mashhadi, by sharing a video of the Sayyid making indirect comments against Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi and Shaykh Nuh Keller [as seen below], and then changing his tune by posting petty statuses against him when his mistakes came to light.

    We have teenagers like Raja Raumaan Ahmed Naqshbandi who recently took bayah with Mufti Aslam Bandyalvi posting slanderous comments against Shaykh Asrar only because Mawlana Shahid is a student of the Mufti, before this guy took Bayah he was a supporter of Shaykh Asrar.
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  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    chalo, all's well that ends ... well, well, well - has it ended?
  7. Shadman

    Shadman Active Member

    I am genuinely confused. The person who challenges usually decides the topic, no? However, the topic of debate in this exchange was brought forward(when he accepted the challenge) by the one who was challenged.
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Awesome. Hopefully this response settles in and Asrar Rashid no longer entertains Shahid's tantrums should he still continue with them.

    Some people are only a drain on others energies and time.
  9. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    Statement (I don't know how to link to a facebook post so just copying and pasting):

    Shaykh Asrar: “After consulting senior Ulama we have concluded that ‘Faqir Banda e Nacheez’ has proven to be an inadequate opponent to debate, and additionally has already in fact been debated and refuted on these very same points that he keeps reiterating over the past few months. The subjects he has chosen for the debate have no substance because these points have already been clarified in public and private by myself. Anyone who is still unhappy is welcome to visit me any time at SBC Masjid, just as Mufti Zia Qasim did, and very much so decently. Hence, instead of wasting time with weekly propaganda Youtube videos against me ’Faqir Banda e Nacheez’ can visit me anytime for clarification just as Mufti Qasim did. And stop soiling the name of Ahlus Sunnah and The Maslak. The witnesses to the impromptu debate and refutation of ‘Faqir Banda e Nacheez’ which took place in mid November were the following Ullama:
    Mufti Aslam Bandyalvi,
    Maulana Naveed Jamil,
    Maulana Bilal (Halifax)
    Maulana Rashid (Keighley),
    Maulana Danyaal (B’ham),
    Imam Sudagar.
    It was agreed upon in front of these witnesses that no more videos would be made, and private contact would be made if there were any points to discuss or retract. However this condition was broken by ’Faqir Banda e Nacheez’’ even though the clarification, refutation and apology video was made in-front of and at the behest of Mufti Aslam his own teacher and Maulana Naveed Jamil, as were the conditions he has broke. This issue will no longer be entertained. YOU’RE DISMISSED!”
    Note:- Listen clearly to the video attached dating back to November. A clear apology, clarification, retraction and promise for future consul by ‘Faqir Banda e Nacheez’. Conditions broken thereafter.
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  10. Qadiri Faqir

    Qadiri Faqir New Member

    Do you mind sharing Mawlana Shahid’s driver/students/close contact who is behaving in similar manner? I concur with you brother, Mawlana Shahid’s close contacts and students behavior should also be called if they are behaving similarly.

    @Surati I was told Tayyab is a student from a source. Please correct me if that’s wrong. Also seen in the pic below (the one on the phone in camel jacket).

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  11. Ibrahim

    Ibrahim New Member

    Sh Asrar has now said that he will not debate Mawlana Shahid after initially challenged him.
  12. Shadman

    Shadman Active Member

    Selective bias... You can look at the social post of any of the two and find similar comments.
  13. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    Are these his students?
  14. Qadiri Faqir

    Qadiri Faqir New Member

    Just appalling to read those screenshots. This is what you define as cult behavior. Shaykh Asrar should add Adab to his syllabus.

    If anything, this only proves Mawlana Shahid’s point even more about these individuals.
  15. nahim

    nahim New Member

    Brother Shahid is similiar to when Imam Asim came on the scene. Studying a few courses does not take you to the next level or make one righteous. His really trying hard to get a following but this is not the way. Sheikh Asrar is not perfect but he has earned his reputation over many years of hard work. The topics selected for debate are very week considering there is no right or wrong answer, depending on which books or scholars you have read. It will just make the average person even more confused.
  16. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    Not only that but why does the debate need to be done in urdu in order to let urdu speaking ulema know the truth of the matter? Are there not enough English speaking ulema who can judge between them? If so, what have our madrasah's been doing for the past several decades?

    Or do we need to keep running back to urdu speaking ulema as if they are automatically more qualified in some way? Why did Imam Shahid get responses from urdu speaking scholars instead of English speaking mufti's, for example?

    If it's a matter of revealing the truth to urdu speaking scholars, why not have the debate in arabic and let the truth be known amongst the arab scholars that Sh. Asrar is always hanging around? Naturally, this will be because Imam Shahid probably can't speak arabic (which is normal when you don't have speaking and listening practice so I don't blame him).

    As a side note- when will Imam Shahid get around to answering questions that have been raised against him and his teacher? He has enough time to release daily videos in urdu, surely he has time to answer allegations of sulh kulliyat against himself. At least sh. Asrar responded in person as well as here online.
  17. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    Then Shaykh Asrar needs to act sternly with them- students of knowledge shouldn't have social media anyway. It will only limit their barakah. The comment by Ahmad Chakswari in particular was disgraceful, illogical, poorly thought out and slanderous.
  18. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    @AbdalQadir you won’t understand his level of verse crafting. Maulana fakeer banda e nacheez is a very humble man.

    Na sataish ki tamanna na sile ki parvaah
    Gar nahin hain mere ash’aar mein maani na sahi - Ghalib

    I crave no praise, nor my work for reward I submit
    If my verses are seen to lack meaning, so be it
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2022
  19. Ibrahim

    Ibrahim New Member

    Tayab Hasnain is Sh Asrar driver. Umar Tariq is Sh Asrar Driver.

    Allah Ditta and Tayab Hasnain were present in the meeting in Bradford.

    Not sure how Sh Asrar can shrug off responsibility with Tayyab.
  20. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    1. Please define bias.

    2. The same criticism can be levelled against Shahid supporters online. He is not deemed responsible for those so why should Shaykh Asrar be deemed responsible for people’s comments online?

    3. As for Ditta leaving Shahid, well that is his prerogative and decision. He is an adult who can choose who he wants to support or not judging on who he thinks is right or wrong. Can you explain what is Shaykh Asrar’s involvement in this instead of making foolish emotional appeals?
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