Sulh kulli Noor ud Deen Rashid

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  1. Ali_Bash

    Ali_Bash Active Member

    Is it possible Abū Ghuddah retracted from the positions as Muḥammad ʿAwwamah is his most famous of his students and he also praises deobandī's like Nanotwi yet does not reject isitghatha. It is possible they did not know about Sunni - Deobandi conflict.

    Is there anywhere where Muḥammad ʿAwwamah refutes his teacher on this position of istighatha.

    Also did Imām Kawthari ؒ know of Imām Aḥmad Riḍā Khan ؒ or of his works
     
  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    without a counter narrative, you cannot blame them. if the ahbash come to indians as sunnis - they are accepted on face value.

    brothers sent me a clip from india where an ahbash man is given full honours. some ulama have taken hadith sanad from harari - while harari is notorious in his tampering of aqayid and siding with wahabis on burdah and other issues.
     
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    no one informed imam al-kawthari about deobandis. they showed him iyla al-sunan and anwar shah kashmiri's enthusiastic defence of hanafi madh'hab - and he endorsed them.

    where did kawthari endorse deobandi heresies?

    kawthari was a man, who refuted imam al-haramayn for what he saw as attacking imam al-a'azam - this was just a fiqhi issue and the person he was defending was not a prophet (i.e. imam azam).

    do you think he would ignore things deobandis said about RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam? along with his refutations of wahabis?

    deobandis - shameless hypocrites that they are - never showed their shameful face to kawthari - and pretended to be sufi-hanafis. did any of them tell kawthari that they consider istighatha as shirk? show us where they declared their belief and STILL imam al-kawthari considered them sunnis.

    taqiyyah usmani - wrote a taqriz on shaykh muhammad alawi's book mafahim and then did somersaults.

    deobandi = munafiq
     
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  4. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

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  5. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    Here he rejects the validity of Istigatha.
    In other places he praises Ibn Taymiyah and considers him Shaykhul Islam
     

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  6. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    Some of his false and deviant positions are found in this book, written by him
     

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  7. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    its really not that surprising. i always thought so and was always concerned that deobandis would frequently use his name whenever they would mention names of Arab scholars who supported them. after doing a bit of research and realizing that he spent a lot of time with devs and also even lived in Saudi and taught at their wahabi institutions, its not a far-off characterization to make...Just because he was a Halabi Syrian doesnt necessarily mean he should be let off the hook...Ibn Taymiyyah himself was a Syrian, but he still was dhaal-mudhil.
     
  8. HASSAN

    HASSAN Active Member

    This post has been cropped and is gaining quite a bit of traction on Twitter and Telegram
     
  9. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Are you saying that abd al-fattah abu ghuddah was a devbandi?
     
  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    He's still in Banbury masjid unfortunately.

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    Since the arrival of Arab scholars and people like Tahir ul,

    There has been a growing trend for people in the UK to consider deobandis Sunni.

    This is wrong.

    Deobandis fail to reject passages in which RasulAllah ﷺ has been disparaged and also believe lying is included in Divine Power.

    On top of that, they are a subcontinent sect. Arab ulama do not know Urdu, haven't seen enough of their works and don't live with them. Therefore, the view of subcontinental Sunni ulama is far more reliable concerning deobandis.

    Anyone who holds the beliefs mentioned above is outside Ahl al-Sunnah. If someone claims to be Sunni but fails to recognise the heresy of deobandis, he is also culpable.

    Enabling those who treat deobandis as Sunni is a call to sulh kullism and such ulama are themselves unreliable.
     
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  11. Sunni By Nature

    Sunni By Nature Active Member

    Shaykh Noor ud Deen Rashid's recent discussion with the notorious speakers corner Wahabi Shamsi Maghribi:

     
  12. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    present day ones, and a sizable majority, yes

    yes, but it also says (alludes) that deen will be preserved by them, and also that love of them is a part of iman, and getting irked by them is nifaq, and that they are the afdal race by virtue of the Master of Prophets, 3alaihimus salam, being from them

    as a desi, i'm not at all ashamed to say that i'd love for them to function as impartial jury over our issues with devbandis. that's what Ala Hazrat also did in practice. imam Mehdi will be Arab and not a subcontinental or Turk or Chinese. reverence for Arabs is akin to reverence for Sayyids with the caveat of Ahlus Sunnah

    the problem we face are the harsh times we're in and the ummah as a whole is in dire straits on a whole host of issues

    why do you see Muzaffar Shah Saab blasting qadianis and not the juhala murtaddeen in tucson arizona following the dead dajjal rashad khalifa or louis farrakhan's so-called nation of Islam confined to some ghettos of harlem? (see links)

    https://www.masjidtucson.org/submission/faq/rashad_khalifa_summary.htm
    https://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/devices/ch9.html (see at the end, the dajjal denied 2 verses of the Quran)

    horses for courses bro. if you're suffering from high blood pressure, it might be good to know about diabetes, but your immediate concern is high blood pressure. the shaykh only said his country is not haunted by rawafid as some other nations are but only by wahabis, so they'd rather spend their energy tackling them

    yeah many of them peruse rukhas or some marjuh opinions. i maybe wrong but Shafi3i mazhab (which many Arabs follow) has valid dispensations for less than fistful beard, but the theoretical aqli dalail and smart-laffazi shunning actual books are more popular with us desis than anyone else as far as I've seen
     
  13. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    question all four madhhabs talk about beard
    why do arab scholars don't have beard look at saed fudah or anyone else. most of them are lax when it comes to akham of deen but good at theoritical stuff..

    also not talking about shiah shows really lack of wisdom, countries in africa have been shiah due to heavy funding by iran

    anyway, these arab scholars aren't any different than indo pak. the inferiority complex is the issue here while hadith says there is no difference between arab and ajam yet some seek to please them for whatever reasons
     
  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator



    he highlights in this clip how it is important for every people to focus on their challenges. like he says: shiah is not a problem in egypt - so they don't talk about it.
     
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  15. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    generally i don't read contemporary ulama - and am also usually guarded about them. however, once in a while (when i cannot read - due to doing something or driving etc) i listen to shaykh buti's sharh al-hikam. durus of shaykh abdullah sirajuddin raHimahullah - and i like his books, some of which i am translating.

    shaykh salik was good - raHimahullah - he has now passed to the mercy of Allah.

    there are some other good ulama - what i have seen until now - i watched half a dozen clips of shaykh ahmad sharif from al-azhar and i like his mince-no-words attitude. he is a charismatic speaker. another is shaykh yusri jabr. there are also clips of shaykh abdul-aziz al-khaTib from syria.

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    another is shaykh abdul qadir husain who is also uncompromising when it comes to wahabi-salafis; and then there is sh. sayid foudah.

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    i watched a few durus on aqidah by shaykh ahmad sharif - and found him well-informed. he has also a lengthy video praising alahazrat and he has called out devbandis for what they are.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
  16. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    generally i don't read contemporary ulama - and am also usually guarded about them. however, once in a while (when i cannot read - due to doing something or driving etc) i listen to shaykh buti's sharh al-hikam. durus of shaykh abdullah sirajuddin raHimahullah - and i like his books, some of which i am in the process of translation.
     
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  17. Abdullah91

    Abdullah91 Active Member

    If yourself, Sheikh @abu Hasan and other brothers could name some contemporary Arab scholars whose lessons/speeches you like listening to and whose books are worth reading that would be appreciated.

    And if it is not too much trouble, perhaps a list of scholars, from anywhere in the world, who you believe to be from amongst the truly authoritative Ulema of our time.
     
  18. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    @abu Hasan posts have much value masha Allah, but if any brother or sister wants to witness first hand the state of the present day and popular Arab ulama and gain immediate empirical evidence, just get on X (twitter) and see for yourself the circus they've become -

    from government stooges supporting perennialism and christianity, like Ali Jifry and Bin Bayyah, to the wahabi-friendly all-rounders (leave alone devbandi-friendly), to the severe infighting among the wahabis between the government stooge madkhalis (who BTW deem devbandis as qubooriyyeen and terrorists and have proscribed tablighi jamat) and qutubis and sahwis, to the modernists. it is as much of a circus as desi khateebs and peers, illa masha Allah the sincere Sunnis

    You won't find worthy ulama, desi or pardesi, easily on Google and YouTube.
     
  19. Sunni By Nature

    Sunni By Nature Active Member

    This reminds me of the recent Sahih al-Bukhari recital that took place in Tripoli, Lebanon which was attended by Ashari, Maturidi, Salafi, Deyobandi and Ashbash scholars and towards the end they cancelled the remainder of the recital because of a comment made by Shaykh Idris al-Fasi al-Fihri regarding the Asharis & Maturidis which angered the Athari Salafis that were in attendance.

     
  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    he was a devbandi and i think, along with abulhasan nadwi, was instrumental in shaping the opinion of arab ulama.

    i have had conversations with elderly scholars from syria, egypt and as far as sudan and they are shocked to say the least when i tell them that abulhasan-nadwi was a wahabi. they immediately remonstrate: but he is hanafi-sufi?

    when i read out the heresies of deobandis - they reject immediately and find it incredible. are you sure? they ask.

    one syrian scholar in his seventies asked me about abul-bala mardudi and when i gave him a sample of his opinions, he was in disgusted, walked up to his shelf, took out a books of maududi and handed them to me - get rid of them as you please - he said.
     

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