this wahabi is also another clowron - similar the abdul-haleem+usman duo - a plague - that we have to suffer. that he is a clown is written on his face - and he proves it by his actions by distorted replay of whom he seeks to refute. i do not understand what this helps achieve other than cast suspicion on the quote (as it is unclear). ---- mah. leave this. and look at the strawmen he has built which he can easily refute sipping juice. 1. the claim that ibn kathir was ash'ari is by his own admission as reported by ibn Hajar in durar al-kaminah. according to the wahabi - "this is their absolute evidence (dalil qaTyi -see @1.22)." 2. jamil haleem is an open ash'ari and others do taqiyah. 3. jamil haleem says there are numerous instances in ibn katheer's work that refute ash'ari aqidah. (here the wahabi inserts his own "but these people have not researched those statements and not investigated about them") 4. he hopes jamil haleem will refute them (i.e. other ash'aris) because they have been deceptive (the wahabi says this sarcastically but also pushes his own opinion) 5. QED. the claim that ibn kathir was ash'ari is disproved (according to the wahabi) ---- reply to the wahabi: before we refute the above, jamil haleem is not the official spokesperson of asha'irah. in fact, the ash'ari-maturidi ulama of today consider him and his sect as having dissented from ahl al-sunnah. 1. the wahabi's assertion that the "absolute proof" of ibn kathir being an ash'ari is a report mentioned in durar al-kaminah is his own strawman. that is just an additional statement. the proof of ibn kathir's being an ash'ari is in his tafsir itself where he presents the ash'ari view in almost all places that the hashawis try to exploit as proof of THEIR aqidah. yad, wajh, saaq, nafs, ayn, istiwa... so whining about an anecdote which may not have an isnad is not the 'absolute proof'. here is homework for the wahabi (which he cleverly wants to give it to jamil haleem): find out the instances in his tafsir that are 'absolute proof' that he was a hashwi and peddled tajsim. disclaimer: i have said earlier that ibn kathir was ibn taymiyyah's student and his admirer. but he didn't follow him in every aberration. that said, there is a possibility that he might have leaned towards his shaykh's agenda in some places. many years ago, i had made a small research to see if iK tried to present iT's ideas in aayat of sifaat, even if done subtly. i forget the details now, but predominantly it was the ashari view and not iT's. regardless, ibn taymiyyah is considered a hafiz, but not accepting his ideas in aqidah; and we do not do takfir of iT - nor takfir of ibn kathir. Allah ta'ala knows best. --- 2. what taqiyyah did they do? which are the aqayid that jamil haleem "openly" professes and the other ulama "conceal"? almost all of them - including jamil haleem expressly reject tajseem. where is the taqiya? --- 3. that is jamil haleem's view. the wahabi 'respects' him simply because he can be used to refute other ash'ariah citing this man. his claim that there are numerous instances need proof - and we have seen the wahabi clowron step aside to let jamil haleem do the dirty work. --- 4. let jamil haleem bring those proofs first - because i suspect you are not literate enough to fish them out (if they exist). --- 5. based on strawmen. note: someone might comment why i didn't reply in arabic when the video was in arabic. the answer is: the question is asked on an english forum and our job is to clarify it for the anglophones. Allah ta'ala knows best.