Taweez containing magic

Post 27 is correct as far as I can tell, I have not checked the Abjad value of each Ism of Asma al-Husna to see if they have been calculated correctly.


The Ta’wiz described in points 1-3 of post 28 has not been mentioned by our Mashaikh in that exact format, but the contents are correct in principle. It could be written and dissolved in water to drink with the intention of Shifa.


The Naqsh in point 4 is incorrect, it does not follow the Qawaid of writing Nuqoosh.

 

@غلام رسول try seeing posts 27 & 28 on this thread - https://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/experimenting-with-chatgpt.15494/page-2#post-83643

 

On the first tawiz you sent, the names of ashab e kahf are part of the tawiz.

 

Thanks for this info brother. i always thought the entire contents on the tawiz paper are a part of the tawiz itself (minus the headings mentioned in books), like the special symbols you see on the tawiz in post # 40 - the top line above the naqsh. long time back i had a friend ask a sheikh, and he said some shuyukh do use special symbols in tawiz's.

anyways, this is a field (tawiz and amaliyat) beyond me. i just happened to get involved in this thread as i accidentally ran into something related to it, while looking for something else.

 

The Turkish words underneath are not part of the Naqsh itself, they are to explain the benefits of the Naqsh.

The Naqsh is Musallas, written according to the Khaki chaal. Each letter represents its equivalent number according to Abjad e Qamari.

If the letters are replaced with their corresponding numerical value, the Naqsh is written like this:

 

Jazak Allahu khayra... I thought they sounded familiar... I read them a few times before but forgot.

Also interestingly the tawizs seem to contain Turkish words also, like this one -


the bottom line just below the naqsh says 'akşam sabah vakti ____ ____ bi idhnillah defa olur' [evening, morning time ______ _____ will ward off bi idhnillah]

Can't surely match the all the words in the text to modern turkish words but still very fascinating.

 

https://openn.library.upenn.edu/Data/0032/html/ms_or_421.html

I think saw one of the names used in tawiz's mentioned on this thread - in this Ottoman era manuscript. See the tawiz nuskha's towards the end, like this one...



I don't make any implicit or explicit endorsements or attestations.

I merely ran into this book when i was inspired by a post on this other thread - https://sunniport.com/index.php?thr...still-relevant-in-our-times.15911/#post-83084

and was trying a hand at googling Islamic books written in Ottoman era in Ottoman Turkish.

 

Have you watched movie called harry potter or read novel harry potter
They use same type of chanting like this shaykh below in the video does which he calls kara..
How can i reach the shaykh

 

Can Shaykh @ abu Hasan check from 4:34 - 8:02 and guide us?

 

From what I have understood, the only reason the supposedly 'unknown words' are accepted by pious people is because they know the meaning of these words, they are not unknown and obscure to them.
I find this excerpt rather relevant:


The only thing that somewhat bugs me is, why do pious people not reveal the meanings of said words instead of treating them as 'unknown'. It is definitely safer to abstain unless a proper meaning is given.

 

Mawlana @abu Hasan is this the same as
Aliqan maliqan taliqan anta ta'lamu ma fi'l quloobi wabi haqqi as stated in the Hisaar?
does the tanween possibly change the words as Sayyid Alazhazrat mentioned aliqa and the hisaar has Aliqan.

Jazak Allah

 

Thats not what I said I disagreed with, what I disagreed with is the "acceptability of the unknown words by pious people" (and my interest is purely interest out of the different ways of seeing reason, priorities, risk and such, its not to even claim my preference is certainly right and the other one certainly wrong)

You already clarified that you didnt intend that, and thats perfectly fine. Im not interested in twisting your opinion i asked you if the ijma citation was on this issue and you said no and it became clear you meant that a "talisman (tamimah, ruqyah) with qur'anic verses and Divine Names are permissible"

 

cancel my apology.

imam nawawi has indeed mentioned ijmaa and i have myself cited alahazrat below (thanks to unbeknown for pointing that out); but when i checked (after TO questioned) i missed the word 'ijmaa' and hastily assumed that it was my own rephrasing.

and hence my [unwarranted] retraction.

 

you disagree iwth the ruling that: "all ta'wiz/riqaa/ruqaa that contain qur'an verses or Divine names are permissible; unknown names and words are prohibitively disliked"?

because this was the point that was marked as ijmaa'.

please do not try to twist my words. you are forcibly trying to make out as if i said the above (i.e. ijmaa) about specific words (aliqa maliqa..etc) under discussion.
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we have no proof so far, that HE included it in the shajarah.

again, signing on one page does not mean that he had reviewed the rest of the book. it is natural to assume that he might have reviewed and approved, the possibility is also there that it was included by others and might have gone unnoticed. Allah knows best.

if at all mufti a'azam e hind INCLUDED this (and it is proven without a shadow of doubt) another possibility is that mufti azam e hind might have come across some reliable source that alahazrat might not have seen and hence included it (provided it is established he did).

 

JazakAllaahu khair for the clarification. (I am just glad its not ijma that I disagree with)

So my thought is the approval of bareilly is possible for something like this, and so is its removal from books because many mureeds/editors may have trouble with it due to its normal prohibition, not considering it authentically narrated, not holding the approving Shaykhs/writers in high enough esteem etc:

 

my mistake.

please change that one to "ittifaq of fuqaha" "jurists commonly agree on its permissibility"

i meant to say that fuqaha are agreed* upon the ruling that a talisman (tamimah, ruqyah) with qur'anic verses and Divine Names are permissible. if i remember well, imam nawawi has cited from bayhaqi (apart from his comment in his sharh muslim quoted by alahazrat) on the permissibility. in sha'Allah, will look for that reference.

update: [so, yes. i have not come across a statement that explicitly says: "ijma'a of fuqaha"] - but it is a permitted practice by fuqaha. none but the wahabis make excuses for denying the hadith and aathar.

update: not needed: [my mentioning "ijmaa" is an inadvertent mistake and i stand corrected.]

wAllahu a'alam.
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* alahazrat cited from sharh e mishkat: "ruqyah by qur'an verses and Divine Names of Allah is permitted by agreement (of scholars)" see the fatawa afriqah snippet below.

 

I wasnt throwing dirt but I spoke casually about bareilly whilst asking you for comment by quoting you (which would be the defence of Alahazrat and bareilly with proofs and weight!)

Ijma of fuqaha on this?

 

whatever the reasons - alahazrat's fatwa is based on sound reasoning and ijmaa' of fuqaha.

any name/word whose meaning is not known is not permissible.
except when handed to us by pious and knowledgeable scholars (exception is relying on the judgement of those scholars)

and alahazrat specifically mentioned these words - so i follow alahazrat.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

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cute.
but your attempt to throw dirt on alahazrat will not cut.

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in the same fatwa, alahazrat cites shah abdu'l Haqq muhaddith dihlawi from his madarij:




so this is not just the opinion of scholars from bareilly; but an accepted opinion of previous imams.

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A good resource that would be useful if translated is the work of the Sufi Master Al Waiz Kamaludin Husayn Ibn Ali Al Kashifi (Qadassalu Sirrahu) namely "Asrar Al Qasmi." He wrote it at the bequest of an Amir to give access and educate the elite (scholars and rulers) of the esoteric sciences and decrypting its social enigma.

It goes over 5 Sciences
Kimiyya : Alchemy
Simiyya :Theurgy : Ruhaniyya (entails Ilm al Jafr)
Rimiyya :Something Akin Hypnosis or CBT (cognitive behavior therapy)/Charlatanism (in the sense that the techniques utilize is for mirth)
Limiyya: Talsiman / Taweez
Himiyya: Something Akin to Astrology