The Hadīth of Madīnah Qaysar

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  1. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    btw, it was me who locked the thread.
  2. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    the habaib do not engage in cursing yazid even when the habaib are Husayni Sayyids, there is nothing to be "gained" in cursing yazid, a waste of time

    cursing is not a "ritual" of Sunnis, it is ritual of the rawafiD

    the habaib infact praise Imam Ghazali :ra:
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    yazid was a fasiq and that is something which is not mere conjecture; everybody agrees to that. but is he a kafir and should he be cursed? because of this and many additional reasons, the position of utmost caution, war'a and the safest path, is to keep silent. that is what our aimmah, our leaders did.

    i was translating the relevant passages, and it is my request that we shelve this topic for a while; tempers and emotions run high among sunnis. but truth must be told even if it is unpalatable.

    for brothers who see this as excusing yazid - NO. it is only that we are exempting ourselves from being called into account on the final day. that is what imam ghazali did.
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  4. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    there is a Hadith which says whoever prays fajr and 'asr will enter paradise. i will never pray dhuhr, maghrib and 'isha because rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam has guaranteed me paradise for praying only fajr and 'asr.
  5. Muhammadi

    Muhammadi Well-Known Member

    Disclaimer: the following is merely a sincere attempt to acquire answers to questions that trouble me.

    According to al-Imām ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalānī’s explanation of the hadīth of Madīnah Qaysar, [al-bukhārī, kitāb: al-jihād wa as-siyar, bāb: mā qīlā fī qitāl ar-rūm]:

    à The conclusion that Yazīd was not present in this group [jaysh] is mardūd because:
    à Yazīd was present in this group [jaysh];
    à There is an agreement [al-ittifāq] that Yazīd was the amīr of this group [jaysh].

    Al-Imām Ahmad ‘Alī as-Sahāranpūrī has also taken some of ibn Hajar’s explanation pertaining to Yazīd being the amīr of the jaysh and has decorated his commentary of al-bukhārī with ibn Hajar’s observations [hawāshī al-bukhārī, pages 409/410, qadīmī kutub khānah, Karachi, Pakistan]; he also notes that the same information about Yazīd is also maintained in a certain “al-Khayr al-Jārī”.

    Therefore, my question is: if our Master Muhammad (‘alayhis salātu was salām) has foretold the blessing of forgiveness [maghfūrun lahum] for this jaysh then why does the Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jamā’ah portray Yazīd in a negative light?
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