The shadow of light

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    alahazrat says:

    wahi nur e Haq, wahi zill e rabb - hai unhiN se sab, hai unhiN ka sab
    nahiN in ki milk meiN aasmaN ke zamiN nahiN ke zamaN nahiN

    the first line has correlation:

    wahi nur e Haq correlates to 'hain unhiN se sab' - indicating towards hadith jabir: 'min nurihi'

    wahi zill e rab correlates to 'hai unhiN ka sab' - indication towards sultan bein zill of rabb, meaning the owner, protector and refuge of khalq.

    wAllahu a'alam wa ilmuhu atam.
  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    But can you offer a better translation - one that won't even have ambiguity or questions raised?
  3. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    subhanAllah, wa jazakAllahu khayra.
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  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    yes - so long as one steers clear from imputations of anthropomorphism and similitude with creation.

    because 'His shade' as in 'shade given by Him' is mentioned in saHiHayn:

    sahih bukhari, #660

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    sahih muslim, #1031

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  5. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    So, can we translate 'tu hay saayah noor ka' to "the shadow of divine light'?
  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    mirqat al-mafatiH, ali al-qari vol.7 p.267-8

    in a variant narration: 'the shade [given by] Rahman'

    because the sultan defends people against harm and wards of the dangers faced by people; similar to shade that protects people from the pain and discomfort of being in the hot sun - zill or shade is a metaphor to mean 'support' 'aid' 'refuge' 'protection'. thus it is said in nihayah.

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  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    actually, in a hadith it is said: 'the king is the shadow [to administer Justice] of Allah in the earth' which means that he is the 'deputy' of the affairs of people of this world.

    see mishkat #3718

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  8. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    one thing I get is that Ala Hazrat alaihi rahmah did say Noor e Khuda ka sayah. 'Tu hay sayah noor ka' can be explained without saying 'noor e khuda ka saayah', for example 'saayah noor ka' can mean rah'matu'l lil a'alameen.

    but I'm wondering how (in)appropriate is the expression 'zill e ilahi' that probably the subcon emperors used to be called in their court. have our elders/ulama used this expression in their poetry or texts?
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  9. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Yes. The top one is the sharh I checked too.

    What's the best way to translate: tū hai sāyah nūr kā?

    Is it just to say manifestation (mazhar) and delete shadow?

    E.g. Ganj Bakhsh fayz e aalam mazhar e nur e khuda
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  10. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    I looked it up in two shurh of hadaiq and they are also explaining it with literal meanings, while the explanation (sharh) should clear the doubt about Noor e Musata aliahi faDalus salat wat-tasleem being Noor e Khuda in literal sense.

    sharh hadaiq e bakhshish - ghulam hasan qadri - p714.png

    sukhan e raza sharh hadaiq-sofi muhammed awwal qadri -p12.png
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  11. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Can this be translated better, please. I don't want to say anything that may be misconstrued.

    O my #Alahazrat

    Tū hai sāyah nūr kā har uzw ţukŕā nūr kā
    Sāyah kā sāyah na hotā hai na sāyah nūr kā

    You're the shadow of light, every limb is a portion of light;
    Shadows don't have a shadow, neither does light

    Alahazrat says: RasulAllah ﷺ is the manifestation, blessing and shadow of divine light - his every part is light!

    And shadows don't have a shadow and neither does light have a shadow.
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