the status of Ahl al-Bayt over RasulAllah

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  1. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    I searched for that statement and it ended me up there.
     
  2. Aqib alQadri

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  4. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    Salam
    Can someone explain the following, what has been attributed, I read thi's. ..
    As it is it angered me

     
  5. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Mr. zahir Know-It-All ebrahim out to correct centuries old 'misunderstanding':

    http://islam-humanbeingsfirst.blogspot.in/2013/03/what-does-quran-say-about-ahlul-bayt.html

    wonder what's he trying to insinuate. apparently, muhadditheen are too human to be trusted so he doesn't try to look for 'shaan-e-nuzool' in the hadith literature.

    he seems to get the same high, the eureka moment, in finding his own 'best' meaning for the qur'anic verses as in discovering a new physical phenomenon.
     
  6. Ibn Amin

    Ibn Amin Active Member

    wa 'alaykumus-salam

    I think you should calm down, just a little bit. Everyone can make a mistake unintentionally, even being a shaykh al-islam or any non-prophet.

    Everyone with basic knowledge in arabic, knows that the ism of inna is always mansub, wa li hadha, it should be "inna zaydan qaimun". One does not have to be a mufti to know this. This sentence is mentioned as an example in almost all nahw books. But this does not mean that anyone is critizing the shaykh. Anyone can make a mistake, so please calm down.

    Allah Hafiz
     
  7. A Daleel

    A Daleel Guest

    salaam

    well with response to brother abu hasan if you have an issue with the arabic that musti el hin hadret sayyed ashrafu sahib has used you should take it up with him, the translator took care in making sure the citations where correct, maybe you are more fazil and understand arabic better then hadret sahib?

    brother naqshbandi jamati - if you have a problem with the speach of hadret sahib maybe you should take it up with mufti sahib, he has some khulifa in the uk i am sure you can ask him why this is his opinion. maybe you are a Mufti too, i dont know your level of islamic education, maybe you are educated to his level too and can make judgement on what he has stated? either way the topic relates to the ahlul bayt and this is hadrets sahibs qubla's opinion regarding this issue i am sure other ulema may differ, it is for the ulema to come forth to offer a rebuttle not lay people

    shukren bizaaf
     
  8. I think the discussion should be focused on the following,
    "Oh Ahmed, had it not been for you I would not have created the universe, and had it not been for Ali I would not have created you, and had it not been for Fatimah I would not have created both of you." as this seems exaggeration and indicates that Sayyida Fatima :as: status is above Huzoor´s صلى الله عليه وسلم which is kufr. Sinceno Sunni denies the exalted status of the Ahlul Bayt nor that the 5 are from it so brother A Deleel´s long post is superfluous or like preaching to the converted!

    What have Sunni ulama said about the bold quote?
     
  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    pardon my arabic, but inna zaydun appears a bit odd to me. apologies for my presumption.
     
  10. A Daleel

    A Daleel Guest

    Inna Zaidun qa’imun
    Undoubtedly, Zayd is standing
    So Zayd is mentioned first and then the action of standing. This means that the act of standing is emanating due to Zayd being there. Not that Zayd is there due to the action of standing. So:
    [FONT=&quot]إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ[/FONT]
    Undoubtedly, in the sight of Allah he who is ‘blessed by Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) ’ (mukarram) is the most righteous (muttaqi)

    This means that it is not due to taqwa that you receive ‘inexplicable gifts’(karamat); but due to ‘inexplicable gifts’(karamat) one attains taqwa. He who has the gift of fazl from Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) is the muttaqi. Hazrath Ghaus al-Azam (may Allah be well pleased with him) was gifted with wilaayat and was born a wali. Thus he was born as a muttaqi. So deeds (amal) does not make one a muttaqi but the grace (fazl) of Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) makes one a muttaqi.
    Hazrath Abul Hassan Ali al-Kharqani (may Allah be well pleased with him) didn’t attend no Madrassah. He was the Ghaus of his time not through knowledge (ilm) but through the grace (fazl) of Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He). So the people of noble lineage (nasab) are recipients of Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He)’s grace (fazl). So understand the "Ayat al-Tathir" or "The Verse of Purification" properly:
    [FONT=&quot]إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا[/FONT]
    The Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) used to repeat this often. Naturally, the wives are part of the Noble household of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions), but does one’s son-in-law necessary belong to the household? Are grandsons also part of the household? For the home of ones daughter, son-in-law and grandsons are usually another home. So how do we know that the daughter, son-in-law and grandsons are included in the Noble household of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions)? The Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) clarified it for us. In the Hadith, an important event symbolizes the spiritual dimension of their relation to the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him and his family). This is the Tradition of the Cloak, which the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him and his family) spread his blessed cloak (kambli mubarak) over himself and Hazrath Ali, Hazrath Fatimah and their two sons Hazrath Hassan and Hazrath Hussain (may Allah be well pleased with all of them).The circumstances of the Tradition (Hadith) is as follows:
    Hazrath Umm Salama (may Allah be well pleased with her), the wife of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him and his family) reports, that one-day the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him and his family) said to Fatimah (may Allah be well pleased with her):
    "Bring me your husband and two sons" When they had all come together he spread his cloak over them and he said: "Oh Allah, these are the people of my house! Let therefore your blessings descend upon Muhammad the people of the House of Muhammad and remove uncleanness far from them and cleanse them with a thorough cleansing "It is stated that the verse: ‘Surely Allah wishes to remove all abomination from you, O People of the House, and purify you with a thorough purification’, was revealed as a response to this supplication (dua).
    So the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) himself included his daughter, son-in-law and grandsons as part of his household. So on what authority we reject it. He said:

    Allahumma ha ulahe ahle baitihi
    O Allah Y! They are my Family
    Hazrath Abu Hurraira (may Allah be well pleased with him) says that he noticed that for a period of six months, when the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) arose to perform his fajr salaah he used to go to the door of the house of Hazrath Fatimah (may Allah be well pleased with her) and say:
    As-Salawaat! Ya ahlal bayt
    The prayer! O My family
    And then he used to read the "Ayat al-Tathir" or "The Verse of Purification"
    [FONT=&quot]إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا[/FONT]
    So that none can deny that Bibi Fatimah’ Hazrath Ali, Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain (may Allah be well pleased with them all) are his [FONT=&quot]أ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]َهْلَ الْبَيْتِ[/FONT] .
    Hazrath Abu Hamra (may Allah be well pleased with him) says, ‘I was blessed with the company of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) for nine months and every time of his fajr salaah he used to go to the door of the house of Hazrath Fatimah (may Allah be well pleased with her) and say:
    Ya Ahlal Bayt! Yarhamkumullah
    Then he used to read the "Ayat al-Tathir" or "The Verse of Purification"
    [FONT=&quot]إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا[/FONT]
    It is stated regarding the the Tradition of the Cloak that the blessed wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) umme Salama wanted to go under the cloak, but the Prophet stopped her saying:
    Antum al’al-Khayr
    You are a member of Ahle Bayt
    He was stating in effect that, ‘it is clear in the verse and the words preceding it that my wives are part of my household and now I am clarifying the verse as to who else is part of my household’.
    There are so many virtues to explain but I will end at this stage.
     
  11. A Daleel

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  12. A Daleel

    A Daleel Guest

    The Blessed Sayyed Family
    Hadret Allama Sayyed Mia Muhammed Madani Shaha sahib Ashrafi
    [Lecture given in the state of Ghujrat, India]
    Hizb-ur-Rasool, , 2009
    Sheikh Ahmed M. Qadiri barkati, Noori, radwi, Zia’ee

    Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) says in the Holy Qur’aan in the 33rd Sura al-Ahzaab (the Associates), Verse 33:
    [FONT=&quot]إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]بس اللہ یہی چاہتا ہے کہ اے (رسول صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کے) اہلِ بیت! تم سے ہر قسم کے گناہ کا میل (اور شک و نقص کی گرد تک) دُور کر دے اور تمہیں (کامل) طہارت سے نواز کر بالکل پاک صاف کر دے[/FONT]
    Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Members of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing
    Besides this, nothing else is mentioned, ‘O Household of My Prophet! Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) intends to keep far away from all [FONT=&quot]رِجْس[/FONT] (rijs) and thoroughly cleanse you as He cleanses.
    This famous verse of the Holy Qur’aan that is called "Ayat al-Tathir" or "The Verse of Purification" and I have given a simple translation. If one ventures into the field of verification ([FONT=&quot]تحقیق[/FONT]) then many words need verification.
    Firstly what does the word [FONT=&quot]رِجْس[/FONT] (rijs) mean? What does it infer? We also need to clarify what [FONT=&quot]أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ[/FONT] (ahlal Bayt) refers to? Unless both these are clarified one cannot know who has been cleansed of what? Hazrath Imam Fakhr al-Din al-Razi e in his world-renowned commentary of the Holy Qur’aan called Tafsir-e Kabir (The Great Commentary) has stated:
    ‘ikhtalafal akhwaal fi ahlil Bayt’
    There is difference of opinion as regards the reference in [FONT=&quot]أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ[/FONT] (ahlal Bayt)
    Some state it refers only to the Pure Wives of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions). Some say it only refers to those whom we call ‘The Purified Five’ or ‘Panjattan Paak’ i.e. the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) Hazrath Ali, Hazrath Fatimah Zahra, Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain (may Allah be well pleased with them all). Others have stated it refers to the Pure Wives, ‘The Purified Five’ or ‘Panjattan Paak’; and all children that are born of the ‘Panjattan Paak’ till the Day of Reckoning (Qiyaamah). Imam Razi favored this last description of [FONT=&quot]أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ[/FONT] (ahlal Bayt). He said:
    Al awla hum azwajahu wa awladuhu wal Hassan wal Hussain minhum wa Ali minhu
    The best description of [FONT=&quot]أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ[/FONT] (ahlal Bayt) according to Imam Razi is:
    The Pure Wives of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions), all their children including Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain (may Allah be well pleased with them all) including Hazrath Ali (may Allah be well pleased with him)
    Li annahu kana min ahle baytihi, be sababe mu’aashirati’hi, be binti Nabi, wa mulaazimatihi lin Nabi
    Hazrath Ali (may Allah be well pleased with him) is also included in ahle bayt because he was brought up and educated (tarbiyyah) by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions).
    He was brought up under the guardianship and in the household of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions). Who are people of the household (ghar)? They are those who can walk into and leave the house without seeking permission. Those who need permission to enter are people of the Prophets Holy Court (dar) not the Prophets Holy Home (ghar). The law has been fixed for Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) says in the Holy Qur’aan in the 33rd Sura al-Ahzaab (the Associates), Verse 53:
    [FONT=&quot]لَا تَدْخُلُوا بُيُوتَ النَّبِيِّ إِلَّا أَن يُؤْذَنَ لَكُمْ[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]نبیِ (مکرّم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) کے گھروں میں داخل نہ ہوا[/FONT]
    O you who believe! Do not enter the houses of the Prophet unless permission is given to you
    This law is not for the members of the Prophets Holy Home (ghar) but it is for people of the Prophets Holy Court (dar). For Hazrath Ali, Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain (may Allah be well pleased with them all) there is no restricted entry they may enter and leave repeatedly without permission. Ponder, even Hazrath Uthman (may Allah be well pleased with him) was the son-in-law of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) but he also needed permission to enter and leave the house of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions). The reason is that if Hazrath Uthman (may Allah be well pleased with him) had to enter the blessed house then Hazrath Fatimah Zahra (may Allah be well pleased with her) would have to wear her pardah. So those are the members of the Prophets Holy Home (ghar) whom, if they enter then the females don’t have to observe pardah. So right unto the time of Imam Mahdi (May Allah bless him with peace) and beyond all the Sayyids or the direct descendants of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) are allowed to enter the blessed household without permission for Bibi Fatimah (may Allah be well pleased with her) is their grandmother. So do understand that the Holy Household [FONT=&quot]أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ[/FONT] (ahlal Bayt) refers to the Pure Wives, ‘The Purified Five’ or ‘Panjattan Paak’; and all children that are born of the ‘Panjattan Paak’ till the Day of Reckoning (Qiyaamah).

    Some people when we speak of members of Prophets Holy Home (ghar) and of people of the Prophets Holy Court (dar) say, ‘Well it is fine that you have a genetic and blood link with the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) respect is obtained so what does one obtain from blood relationship (nasab). This is fine if one does not receive benefit from ones own family so why do they doubt the family of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions). On the contrary blood relationship brings those benefits that cannot be obtained from any virtuous deeds (amal). If one says that no benefit is received from blood relationship (nasab) then one is rejecting the Holy Qur’aan.
    You must have heard of the famous incident of Hazrath Khidr (May Allah bless him with peace) and Hazrath Musa (May Allah bless him with peace). Hazrath Khidr (May Allah bless him with peace) had rebuilt a dilapidated wall that concealed the fortune of two orphans buried in its foundation. Hazrath Musa (May Allah bless him with peace) had objected to this favour to a people that had been inhospitable to them. Hazrath Khidr (May Allah bless him with peace) later explained that the fortune of two orphans buried in its foundation and the poor orphans could have lost it if the wall fell. Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) had willed that he save the fortune of the orphans. This act of grace (fazl) from Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He) upon these two orphans was not because of any deeds (amal) they had performed or lived a life of taqwa but because as the Holy Qur’aan states in the 18th Sura al-Kahf [FONT=&quot]سُورة الْكَهْف[/FONT] (the Cave) in verse 82:
    [FONT=&quot]كَانَ أَبُوهُمَا صَالِحًا[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]ان کا باپ صالح (شخص) تھا،[/FONT]
    Their father had been a righteous man
    [FONT=&quot]تفسير[/FONT] Tafsir al-Jalalayn
    Their father had been a righteous man, and so because of his righteousness they were protected both in [terms of] their souls and their possessions,
    [FONT=&quot]تفسير[/FONT] Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
    (and their father had been righteous) he was a trustworthy man called Kashih
    Their father was a righteous person. He performed deeds of righteousness and the children are benefiting. This father that is mentioned here is a great-grandfather from six generations back. So those who say blood relationship (nasab) does not benefit should rectify their thoughts.
    Again Allah Y says in the Holy Qur’aan in the 52nd Sura, at-Tur [FONT=&quot]سُورة الطُّوْر[/FONT] (Mount Sinai) in verse 21:
    [FONT=&quot]وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَاتَّبَعَتْهُمْ ذُرِّيَّتُهُم بِإِيمَانٍ[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]اور جو لوگ ایمان لائے اور اُن کی اولاد نے ایمان میں اُن کی پیروی کی،[/FONT]
    And those who believe and whose families follow them in Faith,-
    [FONT=&quot]أَلْحَقْنَا بِهِمْ ذُرِّيَّتَهُمْ وَمَا أَلَتْنَاهُم مِّنْ عَمَلِهِم مِّن شَيْءٍ[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]ہم اُن کی اولاد کو (بھی) (درجاتِ جنت میں) اُن کے ساتھ ملا دیں گے (خواہ اُن کے اپنے عمل اس درجہ کے نہ بھی ہوں یہ صرف اُن کے صالح آباء کے اکرام میں ہوگا) اور ہم اُن (صالح آباء) کے ثوابِ اعمال سے بھی کوئی کمی نہیں کریں گے[/FONT]
    To them shall We join their families: Nor shall We deprive them (of the fruit) of aught of their works[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
    Tafsir al-Jalalayn
    We will make their, mentioned, descendants join them, in Paradise, so that they are in the same degree [of reward], even though they might not have performed the same [meritorious] deeds as them [to deserve this equal status], a way of honoring the parents by having their children join them [again]; and We will not deprive them (read alatnāhum or alitnāhum), [We will not] diminish [them], of anything (min shay'in: min is extra) of their deeds, in order to add it to the deeds of their children.
    [FONT=&quot]تفسير[/FONT] Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
    It is also said that this means: We make the offspring attain to the same rank as that of the fathers, if the ranks of the fathers are higher, (and We deprive them of naught of their (life's) work) He says: We do not diminish the reward of the fathers at all upon making their offspring join them. (Every man is a pledge) such that Allah does with him as He will (for that which he hath earned) of sins.
    So children of pious forefathers who follow their forefathers in faith will join their forefathers in jannah. Not because of their deeds but simply for the happiness of their forefathers. Commentators have stated that if any righteous, pious person has children who lack in deeds to earn him the level in heaven that his pious predecessor attained, he will be admitted to that high level of heaven due to his predecessor’s deeds and for his happiness. So congratulations to all Sayyids, for if you lovingly follow the beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) you will be with him, on his level of paradise. The most pious person (muttaqi) cannot attain this highest level of paradise for the blood-relations of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him, his pure family and blessed companions) will reside with him in the mansion prepared for him in paradise. Can any deed (amal) gain you this highest level of
     
  13. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    "Oh Ahmed, had it not been for you I would not have created the universe, and had it not been for Ali I would not have created you, and had it not been for Fatimah I would not have created both of you."

    This is what the common rafiDis talk about. They actually raise the Maqam of Sayyiduna 'Ali :ra: and Sayyidatina Fatima az Zahra :ra: over the greatest of all creation :sa: If it were not for our Nabi MuHammad :sa: our Habeeb, nothing else would have been created. Such is the deliberate extremity that the scholars Qom are spreading

    Makes me wonder what did Hossein Nasr study there for 20 years
     

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