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Discussion in 'Refutation' started by kattarsunni, Jun 21, 2011.
This has aged badly....
JazakAllah for the advice brother.
Initially this thread started with me defending a Sunni scholar.
One brother had a personal agenda against me from the past discussions and diverted the thread. Now it seems he is lost for words.
I will take you advice brother Abdullah Muslim and not post again.
Is there any creative activity on this forum or not?.. So I far I have only seen people commenting and criticizing the scholars on their own little knowledge.
Who are you to consider a Scholar from Ahl-e-Sunnah or not without talking to him first?
What a pity!!
As you can see from my long posts that i'am not lost or words at all.
So are you saying that Shaykh Yaqoubi believes in hellfire distinguishing?? Or he believes it is a valid position??
hmm? I've been told....Sounds like third hand information. Unless you can establish things by fact do not try to spread rumours.
You've not answered my two questions that i have placed at the top of the page. They were:
Answer the questions and do not play around.
I heard Shaykh Amjad himself told the Shaykh about Shaykh Gibril's comments; I've been told he was not alone either. Despite that, Shaykh Gibril is still on the website.
Maybe you can confirm the above meeting yourself with Shaykh Amjad or Shaykh Munawwar.
In any case, you attacked the brothers at Sacred Knowledge severely; amongst those reasons was not releasing 'Way of the Ulema'; go and check with Mulla Asrar - I've been told he asked the Shaykh himself about this. Lost for words, again?
I'm not lost for words. Shaykh Yaqoubi hasn't been to Zaytuna since 2004 Maybe he does not know wht Hamza has been saying in his speeches and article. Unlike you and me Shaykh Sahib is not on forums, but reading, researching, doing dhikr of Allah and fighting despotic regimes in the Middle East.
So unless you can show that Shaykh Yaqoubi approves of HY's blunders there is nothing really proven.
By leaving G F Haddad on their site, does that mean Shaykh Yaqoubi and SK approve of that position as being valid with the realms of Ahl alSunna??
Shaykh Amjad Mahmood debated G F Haddad on 'Sunna Principles' forum. Shaykh Amjad Mahmood is also on SK.
Show me where i have launched attacks on people for 'taking' Shaykh Sahib to GPU?
As for G F Haddad being on the website, then does that mean they approve of his opinion on the end of the hellfire? Yes or no?
Answer these two questions and we will see who is telling the truth.
you are making a fool of yourself. you have attacked SK heavily for being deobandis or having deobandi infiltrators and 'ex-Hamza Yusufites'... the same brothers were exonerated by the Shaykh in Birmingham. Moreover, you attack Shaykh Hamza Yusuf no end on this forum... tell me, what do you make of the Shaykh saying Shaykh Hamza is Ahl al-Sunna? are you lost for words?
you and your ilk have launched attacks on brothers around the Shaykh for taking him to conferences like GPU, but now you are defending the Shaykh for attending 'United Muslim Convention'... it shows your double standards quite clearly to everyone here. the proof is visible in all your previous posts.
I see Shaykh Gibril is still on the SK website. I need not say any more.
I have been corrected. The Ulama like Shaykh Yusuf Nabhani allow the attending of these conferences for Ulama in order that they correct the munkarat. And this is mentioned in the above recording.
When did we ever attack the Shaykh on those things? Yes we have criticised SacredKnowledge and Hamza Yusuf.
How are the actions of the Shaykh same as the actions of Hamza Yusuf or SacredKnowledge ie those things we criticised the latter for??
Shaykh Yaqoubi does not believe in defending a type of perennialism. He does NOT endorse that hellfire will come to an end. He does not pray for British soldiers. He does not love Deobandi muhadithin. These are some of the facts that SK and HY were criticised for. Not Central Masjid, GPU or Islam Channel.
I wander if he would say the same of G F Haddad's position on 'fana alnar'? Or Marks defense of perennialism? Have the brothers around him informed him of those things?
A few accusations have been made in your post. Yes it is true that i was critical of 'SacredKnowledge', put you have added a few things from your own pocket.
1 You have said i attacked brothers, different to SacredKnowledge, around the Shaykh. Can you show where?
2 You have said i done this when the Shaykh done a talk at Central Masjid, Islam Channel and GPU.
If you are a man (rajul) produce your evidence.
its funny how you guys (aka kattarsunni) were quick to attack 'Sacred Knowledge' previously - and other brothers around the Shaykh, when the Shaykh gave a talk at Birmingham Central Mosque, spoke at the GPU and went on Islam Channel...
Now you guys are defending the Shaykh for the same actions... bravo.
May Allah preserve and protect the Shaykh, and support Sacred Knowledge - the Shaykh clearly made du'a for Sacred Knowledge at the recent 99 Names event; even spoke very highly of Shaykh Hamza Yusuf unlike some morons on this forum. The Shaykh said loud and clear that Shaykh Hamza is Ahl al-Sunna.
Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad al-Yaqoubi (hafidhahullahu t'ala) is NOT attending this conference.
This individual has spoken against the niqab:
Irfan "Alawi" and Stephen Schwartz have a nerve. They call for unity with the Zionists and object at the Ulama.
He has slandered many Ulama. Here is their page on unity with yahud:
Here is his page on unity with Nasara:
Anyhow, it is interesting how Irfan has become a 'pluralist'. And he has the audacity to use the name of Sayyid Muhammad bin Alawi rahimahuAllah:
They place this verse at the top of their website:
This Shaytan has a nerve to attack Ulama and keep company with zionists. He has even written against the niqab. Irfan Alawi is a trouble making Shaytan.
The website describes Daniel Pipes as an Islamologist.
It is a neautral event. The website states:
We, Sunnis, would want Sunni representation, and who better in English and Arabic than Shaykh Yaqoubi hafidhahu Allah.
Here is what Ustadh Asrar Rahid says regarding Ulama attending events, even if organised by deviants, quoting Shaykh Yusuf Nabahani:
Watch at 2 hrs and 20 mins onwards. Quoting the fatwa of Shaykh Yusuf Nabhani he states that It is allowed for learned Ulama.
zaynab, the answer is in the 2nd link you have provided. I quote it here:
ALHAMDULILAH, THE CONVENTION WILL HOST AN ARRAY OF SPEAKERS FROM DIFFERENT SPECTRUMS THAT CONSTITUTE OUR PLURALISTIC MUSLIM COMMUNITY. GOD WILLING, OUR LIST OF SPEAKERS/ARTISTS INCLUDE"
Tafdhili Ninowy is invited
I hope all deviant sects learn from Shaykh Yaqubi and convert to Ahl alSunna
In sha Allah
I received this by email United Muslim Convention
I was shocked that the respected Sh Al Yaqubi is attending this Salafi/Deobandi conference.
Does anyone here know anything about this?
Here id the link:
How can there be unity with the deviant sects?