yes brother ex-wahabi, i have seen how indian media is saturated with highlights of terrorists and that being common talk on the streets, which does push the common man to vote for anti muslim parties. this is news lately that shows how much india benefits from arab Muslims. hindu naionalists run a double policy. Demonize home muslims and appeal to muslims beyond http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/uae-allocates-land-abu-dhabi-hindu-temple-150817062426501.html
I agree with a lot of what you said. But, I think you misunderstood me. I am not saying the anti muslim parties are not hypocritical. I agree that they are. In fact I also said :"The west and the media uses these terrorist organizations to push it's agenda of creating problems in the muslim world." . What I am saying is that common people [not governments] are fed anti muslim rhetoric by the media where they use the terrorist activities by the najdis to malign the whole muslim community. They don't differentiate between sunnis and wahhabis. I am not talking about the governments. And, I know that sunni barelwis are a big majority in Pak. Something, I wish for the muslims on india
i would like to present proof, that hints to the fact of how barelvi the Pakistani awaam are. The youtube video below is the recent flag ceremony at Wagah Border in Lahore district, Punjab, Pakistan, which is visited by people from all over the country, and is a public event, televised and extremely popular. At 11:15 onwards, you will find the crowd declaring Ya RasulAllah and Ya Ali in unison. There is no fear of someone shouting biddat or shirk. Wahabis are no where in sight. They are 50,000+ of them, men, women, and children, from all classes, rural but mostly urban people. Mind you, Sunnism is stronger in rural areas of Pakistan than urban. This country called Pakistan, is essentially a Sunni Barelvi country !
A lot of these hindu and sikh anti muslim party goers have family members earning money in Muslim countries including UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, Jordan, Malaysia. They have family members working as nurses in Iraq, Libya, Iran, Afghanistan. How come Modi is cosy with Afghanistan? Does not Bharatiya Jannata Party know that Mahmood Ghaznawi and Muhammad Shah Ghauri were, yes you guessed it, Afghans! They demolised Somnath and demolished the Rajputs around Delhi and Gawalior. This was not done by the poor indian Muslims, and the poor Pakistanis. Modi is building a port in Iran, at Chah Bahar, right next to Gawadar in Pakistan. So does BJP like Iranian Shariah following Mullahs ? Why does not RSS, VHP call Modi a traitor for having dealing with Iranian Shia Taleban ?? But, the trishool bearers Ram Sevaks do not find fault with Afghans, and are awesome friends with them. Why not did brother ex-wahabi say, these hindus join with anti Muslim parties because of what wahabism does in the Afghan region ????? The Taleban are Afghan, NOT Pakistani! The terrorist groups in Pakistan have Afghans as primary contributors among them. Yet Afghans and indians claim terrorism of wahabism comes from Pakistan. Then can someone elighten me please. What is Daesh doing in Kunar? or Nangrahar ? TTP in Pakistan was supported, fed by Afghans. The Afghans, by the way, are overwhelmingly Sufi Sunni too, but thats beside the point.
Yes brother, there could be other reasons but that is a bit contradictory brother ex-wahabi. if these hindus, those who visit dargahs and respect sufis, simultaneously join anti muslim parties, that is a contradiction, dont you think? i watch indian sikh and hindu channels, and meet them everyday, mostly punjabis from india [ high caste hindus from khatri, jaTT, Rajpoot, Saini, Arora, Brahmin groups ]. They did not harm, generally, the khanqahs in indian punjab, but they did harm the Muslims who built and populated those khanqahs [ even though the Punjabis were 90% Sufi ]. The conclusion is that they do not think sufis are Muslims. But did any Sufi survive in 1947 in East Punjab and Jammu ?? Nope. The Sufis disappeared too, because the Sufis were actually Muslims. These hindus who visit dargahs, are not visiting Muslims, they are visiting Sai Baba or Mardana of Guru Nanak, and they do not think the dargahs belong to Muslims. In Patiala, indian Punjab, you have the dargah of Imam Rabbani radiallahu anhu. But where are the Patiala Sufis who built it? Gone to Pakistan or killed. But the dargah stands because the hindu and sikh come to pay respects. hindu and sikh nationalists, sangh parivar, hate muslims because of Aurangzeb and linked history; somnath is on the plate most of the times Once again, for the benefit of indian muslims, Pakistan is overwhelmingly Sunni, unlike indians. i am a witness to this fact. Punjabis/Kashmiri and Sindhi/Baloch are the MOST BARELVI subcontinental groups you can find. i find it astonishing the indian Muslims buy into the propaganda of hindus that there is wahabism in the Pakistani region, and that the condition of Muslims in India is due to the Pakistani region. Nope, not true. i have looked at Pakistanis and Pakistan, and they are overwhelmingly Sunni Sufi unlike indians Muslims. Pakistan is dominated by barelvis everywhere! the whole country. wahabism is a minority sect there, including deobandis. i am sure brother Aqdas can verify.
There are not much Ahle khabees in India. So, most of the terror convict belong to the deobandi sect. The violent Najdi ideology is the only reason why non muslim think that our religion is not a religion of peace. The west and the media uses these terrorist organizations to push it's agenda of creating problems in the muslim world. The whole rise of anti muslim sentiment is linked with the wahabi terrorist organizations and the propaganda by the media. I see a lot of hindus who support the right wing hindu parties but visit dargahs and respect sufis. The only reason why they are driven towards anti muslim parties is because of the problems created by Wahhabism in the arab and pakistani region. Not denying that there are other reasons as well. I think as we move towards end times, things will become worse for muslims. Already we have kufr all around us with certain "muslims" and government calling for acceptance of homosexuals and changing our belief system. The real muslims will have to face a lot of trouble while the munafiqeen will just go with the flow. But, I also feel that this is a blessing for that we must not forget that this dunya is not our aim. I see the brothers and sisters in Palestine. I don't know the ground reality. But, from what I have observed, they have strong faith in Allah while the many Muslims who don't have to face hardships don't care about their deen much.
JazakAllah al khair for duas. Deobandis have spread far and wide in villages and cities. It's not like the salafis who are still a minority. There are mainly three reason for the spread of deobandi fitna: 1] They produce a LOT of Huffaz/scholars so they have a large number of madrasas and masajid. 2] Tablighi Jamaat is the biggest reason why deobandis became popular among awaam. They went door to door to preach and brought people inside the mosques. Once you have a following it's easy to fill their heads with whatever beliefs you want and that is the methodology of deoband. They learned this early that if they show their true colours people will never follow them. They infect slowly and slowly 3] The actions of jahil awaam at darghas and their absence from mosuqes. You might find it a bit rude but the condition of sunnis in india is very very bad. And we have no mechanism [like TJ] to bring sunnis to our mosques. They only interested in Faatiha and Niyaz.
^ma sha Allah, that's a top hypothesis Wadood! this whole 'dargah is just another temple' mantra has been popularized by deobandis, secular hindus and bollywood in general. we all know that in the past, dargahs and khanqah's used to be conversion houses for spreading Islam. of course the money churning dargah caretakers and gaddi-nasheen's have also spared no efforts in ruining the perception that people had about dargahs. the orientalist mala3inah and their butlers have even portrayed Maulana Rumi radi Allahu 3anhu as some sort of a secularist hippy, when in fact he was the opposite, a wali of the highest caliber and a caller towards Tawhid. (this is what happens when know-it-all western fools think they understand his native language, poetry, and metaphor, and bigger fools from back home give them standing ovations.)
i have a hypothesis: deobandism was spread in india to control, radicalize, and then polarize the Muslim population from the hindus, because the Sunnis were far more proselytizing than the deobandi / tablighis; they came from long standing traditions and power bases in rural india, while deobandism was a new and essentially an urban phenonmenon. This can be seen in Mewat, for example. To cut the Muslims of india particularly in the North from their rural, khanqah based ancient roots and Maqamaat of Awliya Allah, deobandism was a friend to hindu nationalism and territorial expansion. Converting to deobandism is like converting from your ancient islamic roots in India dating back 800 years. The Maqams of Awliya and Sufis were the real threat. That could be the reason for Dargas being the primary target of attack in Gujarat riots. The proposition that hindus respect dargahs is just a movie and secular thing. They know dargahs are the real danger because of hindus converting to Islam once there. It were the Sufis who spread Islam in every nook and corner of india
Probably the villages in Haridwar district are dominated by Sunnis, while major cities like Haridwar and Roorkee are dominated, as usual in this part of Uttar Pradesh, by deobandis since Saharanpur isnt far off. But it could also be that the mosques are controlled by deobandis, but the population is still largely Sunni. This is what i found in the case of Malegaon, Maharashtra. And i wish you success in your studies at IIT. i was looking at the University and some of its engineering courses.
mashAllah brother, may Allah ta'la grant you ease and success in all your jaiz pursuits. You can prove to be a great asset for the ahlussunnah. Stay in touch with sunni ulema, literature and literati.
Anyways, muslims are quite safe in india. Some incidents do happen but majority of people live quite peacefully.
actually my home is in haridwar but I am studying in IIT- Roorkee. Sadly Roorkee has only one sunni mosque that too was built recently. All are deobandis and a few Ahle khabees in my college.
ma sha Allah, nice to see that you are from such an exotic place bhai jaan. Hardwar in Uttara Khand near Roorkee. i know a few indian Muslim brothers, well educated, from sophisticated culturally rich families from that area. Most are Sunni. Also about the Maqam of Sabir Piyaa rahmatuAllah alaih. i am from Canada. You can see Muslims ion motor bikes, carts, and in cars every where in Roorkee
I live in Hardwar which is very close to Deoband and Saharanpoor . ha ha . My Aunts live in Deoband and Saharanpoor. I come from a stauch deobandi family but Alhamdulillah I am a Sunni [Barelwi]. Where are you from brother?
are you from india brother ex-wahabi, hehehehe. if you are from uttar pradesh, i would like to know which district and tehsil, u are from
The Kanwariyas are a big nuisance to the people. They cause traffic jams and make a lot of noise. They are known to keep hockey sticks, Trishools [three-headed spears], baseball bat etc. in case there is any clash with the police or people.
an area of like 73,000 sq.km, about the size of Jharkhand, and a population of 56 million+, or a density of arround 800 per sq.km
don't know but it seems something is brewing up in Western Uttar Pradesh. Skirmishes between the "minority community" and the "majority community" continue on a low, highly censored scale for some sinister reasons. Intermittently, Azam Khan of Rampur is blamed, and sometimes the Congress. http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/police-steps-in-to-thwart-clashes-in-muzaffarnagar/1/457987.html There was a similar clash earlier, and in Shamli nearby. The Muslims of Western Uttar Pradesh are particularly in the spotlight of Sangh Parivar. Agra and Aligarh, with ghar wapsi ceremonies and frequent mention in Hindutva speeches, are in Western Uttar Pradesh. Perhaps this area is the leftover business of partition, as Gujarati Muslims have already been broken, that is before they move eastwards for the other Muslims. This is the only contiguous Muslim area (to East Punjab) that was not religiously cleansed of Muslims during partition of India, as adjacent Haryana was turned into a genocide state soon to be devoid of Muslims, including Delhi and Mewat. i call it Muslim area because i believe currently Muslims are not 26% as the 2001 indian census says, and probably 29% as the 2011 census will reveal, but more like 42%+, while at the time of Partition, i believe they were the majority there! Bareilly lies in this area too.
