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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    will there be any future upgrades to Hujjatul Islam-GPT or Mujaddid-GPT?
     
  2. Shadman

    Shadman Active Member

    It would be interesting to see a model tuned for Islamic text. With that idea in mind, 'Mufti-GPT' is probably under development by someone.
     
  3. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

  4. Ahmadh

    Ahmadh New Member

    Just to point out, 90%+ of the training data in chatgpt is english, very little in Arabic and even less so isI Islamic texts. The best results would probable be derived from taking a concise english translation and then putting that through the chat bot.

    Still quite impressive though.
     
  5. Psuedo-Philosopher

    Psuedo-Philosopher "All things must end, as all began"

    It probably was under the impression that text referred to is 'Kitāb At-Tawhīd' by Shaykh Ibn Abd al-Wahhāb. Al-Hamdu Lillāh, robots are not perfect and do not substitute a human being.
     
  6. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Its ability to versify is impressive even though it's prone to errors in translation. Apparently, if the first-pass output is fed and re-fed/reviewed by ChatGPT itself, then the output gets better and refined.

    With right prompts and corrections, it has an ability to self-correct too (with a dose of humility). If only the fake shaykhs also had the same capability to do ruju!
     
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    translate the above in verse

    ChatGPT:

    When non-existence is achieved,
    Contradiction is the proof perceived.
    In Islamic faith, this truth is clear,
    Allah alone, no other to revere.

    (Note: This is a translation of the interpretation of the given Arabic verse into English verse. The original meter and rhyme scheme of the Arabic verse may not be preserved in this translation.)
     
  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    push it:
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  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    tried again:


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  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    qidam is mistaken to be qadam and thus translated as steadfastness.

    (just trying to think what might be going on in the bot)
     
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  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    well, it is downhill after the plain verses ...
     
  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    21- وُرجِّحتْ زيَادةُ الإيمانِ بما تزيدُ طاعةُ الإنسانِ

    22- ونَقْصُهُ بنقصِها وَقِيْلَ: لا وَقِيْلَ: لا خُلْفُ كّذَا قَدْ نُقِلا

    23- فَواجِبٌ لهُ الوجودُ والقِدَمُ كَذَا بَقَاءٌ لا يُشَابُ بالعَدَمُ

    24- وأَنهُ لِمَا يَنالُ العَدمُ مخالفٌ، بُرهانُ هَذا القِدَمُ

    25- قيامُهُ بالنفسِ وَحدانيةْ مُنزَّهاً أَوصَافُهُ سَنِيَّةْ

    26- عَنْ ضِدِّ أَو شَبَهٍ شَرِيْكٍ مُطْلَقَاً وَوَالِدٍ كَذَا الوَلَدْ والأصْدِقَا

    27- وَقُدْرَةٌ إرَادَةٌ وَغَايَرَتْ أَمْرَاً وَعْلِمَاً والرِّضَا كما ثَبَتْ

    28- وَعِلْمُهُ ولا يُقالُ مُكْتَسَبْ فاتْبَعْ سَبِيِلْ الحقِّ واطْرَحِ الرِّيْبْ

    29- حياتُهُ كَذا الْكلامُ الْسَمْعُ ثمَّ البَصَرْ، بِذي أَتانا السَمْعُ

    30- فَهلْ له إدراكٌ أوْ لا، خُلْفُ وعندَ قومٍ صحَّ فيه الوَقْفُ


    21- Increasing faith is preferred,
    As it increases one's obedience to the word.

    22- Its decrease is said to be,
    The same as decreasing virtuous deeds we see.

    23- Existence and eternity are his due,
    And he remains unaffected by what is new.

    24- When he meets with nothingness,
    This contradicts his nature, a proof of his steadfastness.

    25- Self-sufficient and unique is he,
    Free from any partners or similarity.

    26- Unlike any opposites or a semblance of a mate,
    Like a parent to child or friend to mate.

    27- Will, power, and knowledge, his to claim,
    Satisfaction with all things as they came.

    28- His knowledge is not acquired but innate,
    Follow the path of truth, doubt to negate.

    29- His life, like the spoken word we hear,
    Then sight, both gifts from one who is near.

    30- Does he comprehend, or not, we ask,
    A matter of belief for those who bask.
     
  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    9- فَكُلُّ مَنْ كُلِّفَ شَرْعاً وَجَبَا عَلَيْه أَنْ يَعْرِفَ مَا قَدْ وَجبَا
    10- لِلهِ والجائِزَ والمُمتنِعَا ومَثلِ ذا لِرُسْلهِ فاستمِعا
    11- إذْ كُلُّ مَنْ قَلَّدَ بالتَّوِحيْدِ إيمَانُهُ لمْ يَخْلُ مِنْ تَرْدِيْدِ
    ‏12- فَفِيْهِ بَعْضُ القَوْم يَحْكي الخُلْفا وبَعْضُهُمْ حَقَق فِيْهِ الكَشْفَا
    13- فَقَالَ إنْ يَجْزِمْ بقَوْلِ الغَيرِ كَفَى وَإلاَّ لَمْ يَزَلْ في الضيَّرِ
    14- واجْزِمْ بَأَنَّ أَولاً مِما يَجبْ مَعْرِفَةٌ وفيْهِ خُلْفٌ مُنْتَصِبْ
    15- فأنْظُرْ إلى نَفْسِكَ ثُمَّ انْتَقِلِ لِلعَالَمِ العُلْوِيِّ ثمَّ السُّفْلِي
    16- تَجِدْ بِهِ صُنْعَاً بدِيْعَ الحِكَمِ لَكِنْ بهِ قَامَ دَلِيْلُ العَدَمِ
    17- وكُلُّ ما جَازَ عَلَيْهِ العَدَمُ عَلَيهِ قَطْعَاً يَسْتَحِيْلُ القِدَمُ
    18- وفُسِّرَ الإيمانُ بالتصدَّيقِ والنُطقُ فيهِ الخلفُ بالتحقيقِ
    19- فَقِيْلَ شَرطٌ كالعَمَلْ وقيْل بلْ شَطْرٌ والإسلامَ أَشْرِحَنَّ بالعَمَلْ
    20- مِثَالُ هذا الحجُّ والصَّلاةُ كذا الصيامُ فاْدرِ والزكاةُ

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    9- To every one who's tasked with a law to follow,
    It's a must to know what's been made obligatory to show.

    10- To Allah belongs all that's permissible and prohibited,
    And like the messengers, heed His call without being restricted.

    11- Whoever embraces the creed of monotheism without doubt,
    His faith will never waver or be without clout.

    12- Some have spoken against it, without sound proof,
    While others have found truth and made a great move.

    13- So he who affirms the words of others, that's sufficient,
    Or else he remains in harm and not enough proficient.

    14- I maintain that the first obligation is to know,
    And some have differing opinions, that's the status quo.

    15- Look into yourself first, then expand your view,
    To the higher and lower knowledge, and seek what's true.

    16- You'll find therein unique wisdom and design,
    Yet its evidence rests on the negation of the divine.

    17- And whatever's permissible due to negation,
    Its existence is impossible without hesitation.

    18- Faith is explained by affirmation and speech,
    And deviation by investigation and breach.

    19- Some said it's a condition, like deeds to be done,
    Others said it's just a part, and Islam's message is more than one.

    20- Such as pilgrimage, prayer, and fasting too,
    And don't forget charity, it's a pillar just as true.
     
  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    it sounded just like vacuous speakers - big words and lots of words and one or two well-known concepts repeated in many ways.
    --
    but it was unfair. so a pointed question:

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    not bad.
     
  15. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    so i prodded chatGPT on the jawharah mistake

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  16. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    this one sounds like hamza yusuf or any of the 1001 celebrity pirs and speakers who have no clue but try to be smart and use vague descriptions to mask their ignorance. they will wax eloquent about things they have no clue of.

    so chatGPT can pass off as celebrity shaykh...
     
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  17. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the AI bot mistook alfiyah al iraqi (which is on usul hadith) to alfiyah ibn malik and thus went on a grammar poem.
     
  18. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

  19. Psuedo-Philosopher

    Psuedo-Philosopher "All things must end, as all began"

    Thanks sir. Very interesting.
     
  20. غلام رسول

    غلام رسول Active Member

    1) In fields of gold where sunbeams dance and sway,
    Amidst the fragrant blooms of nature's hold,
    I find a solace in the light of day,
    And treasure moments free from life's stronghold.
    For when my heart is light, my soul is free,
    And all around me seems to come alive,
    I feel a joy that's pure and yet to be,
    A precious gift that keeps my dreams alive.
    Oh, how I long to linger in this place,
    Where peace and beauty blend in perfect grace,
    And time itself is but a fleeting trace.
    But soon enough, the day will bid adieu,
    And with it, too, this moment that I knew,
    And yet, it lives forever in my view.


    2) Lā ilāha illallāh is the creed we uphold
    No deity but Allah, this truth is our stronghold
    The One True God, who none can ever equate
    All praise and worship to Him, we dedicate
    He has no partners, no similitude or kin
    Eternal, Absolute, Sovereign, without a begin
    The Creator, Sustainer, and Master of all
    To His mercy, we turn, whenever we call
    In Him, we seek refuge, from Satan's deceit
    Through His guidance, we find peace, and relief
    Lā ilāha illallāh, the foundation of our faith
    The key to Paradise, and the path to His grace


    3) First, to the Arabic letters, we must attend
    They have three forms: Isolated, Joined, and End
    The Isolated ones stand alone, free from the rest
    The Joined ones connect, for better or for the best
    The End letters come at the end of a word, it's true
    Like alif, lam, and ha, they are a common view
    Next, to the Nouns, their case and gender we must know
    They can be Marfū, Mansūb, or Majrūr, it will show
    For Masculine and Feminine, the gender rules apply
    Masculine is the default, unless otherwise nigh
    To form the Plural, there are various ways to do
    By adding a suffix or a prefix, or changing a vowel too
    The Verbs have Tense, Voice, Mood, and Agreement
    They can be Perfect or Imperfect, Active or Passive, it's evident
    The Mood can be Indicative, Imperative, or Subjunctive
    And the Agreement must match the Subject, it's not subjective
    These are the basics of Arabic Grammar, my friend
    But to master it fully, much more you must comprehend
    Alfiyya of Irāqī, a gem of knowledge and insight
    May it guide you on your journey, with wisdom and delight.


    4) Sharh al-Aqā'id, a text of Islamic creed,
    Is filled with wisdom, to our hearts to feed.
    In English verse, let us try to convey,
    The message it holds, to guide us on our way.
    "There is no god but Allah," we confess,
    And strive to live our lives with righteousness.
    He is the One, with no partner or peer,
    Eternal, infinite, to Him we adhere.
    The Quran, His Word, is a light to see,
    A guide for those who seek to be set free.
    In it we find the path to true success,
    And ways to strive towards eternal happiness.
    Belief in Angels, Books, and Hereafter too,
    Is an article of faith we must imbue.
    And in the Prophet, Muhammad, we find,
    The final Messenger, to guide all of mankind.
    Sharh al-Aqā'id, a treasure trove,
    Of Islamic knowledge, to help us grow.
    May we learn, understand, and follow with care,
    And strive to please Allah, in all we do and share.
     

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