any other jaTTs out there?!

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  1. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    are you sure his shaykh was an 'arain'. I would suppose his shaykh was a rajput or from some other sub group such as awan etc but not arain. Were not arains from the Indian Punjab area and are known to be traitors by common Punjabi folk?
  2. Yes, Baba Bulleh Shah was a sayyid; but his Shaykh (Shah Inayat) was an Arain and once the thought came into Baba Bulleh Shah's mind that I am a sayyid whereas my shaykh is only an Ara'in. From that moment his Shaykh became upset with him and refused to speak to Bulleh Shah for 12 (?) years. No apology Shah sahib made was accepted. Eventually Baba Bulleh Shah put on some ankle-bells [ghungroo], usually worn by dancing girls, and danced in front of his Shaykh who seeing this utter humbleness of Baba Bulleh Shah finallu forgave him. It is why the song,"tera Ishq nachaaya kare thaiyya thaiyya!" is so famous in Panjab as it is the song Baba Bulleh Shah sang and danced to in order to please his murshid. The lyrics of the song are actually also the kalaam of Baba Bulleh Shah himself.

    This Panjabi kalam begins,"Chetii aaveeN ve tabiba na'eeN tay main maR gayee aaN". A full translation is given below (from

    O Physician, come back! my life is ebbing away.
    Compelled by love, I dance, I dance.

    This love has set up camp inside me.
    It is I, who filled the cup with this poison and drank it.
    Come back right away, else, I will surely die.
    Compelled by love, I dance, I dance.

    The sun has set, its glow remains.
    Grant me a sight of you again! I would die for it!
    What a mistake I made, not going with you.
    Compelled by love I dance, I dance.

    Mother do not bar me from this love.
    Whoever turns back unloaded boats that have left?
    How foolish I was, not going with the boatman.
    Compelled by love I dance, I dance.

    Peacocks sing in the groves of love.
    My beautiful beloved is my Ka’ba, my Qibla.
    He injured me, then turned away.
    Compelled by love I dance, I dance.

    Bullhe Shah, I sit at Inayat's door,
    He clothed me in robes of green and red.
    When I stamped my heel, I found him.
    Compelled by love I dance, I dance.

    subhan Allah!
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2008
  3. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    A'wan or Awan as they write it down in Urdu, as far as I have seen on the names of heedless Pakistani New York based Taxi drivers, is that they are mostly murids of Mohra Shareef, and I do not know where that is exactly, is it in Azad Kashmir?

    But as far I have heard from Punjabi Muslim families, Awan is a Pashtun tribe (of Israeli descent?)that migrated to the plains of Punjab plains in huge numbers having converted to Islam. But is not Sayyiduna Sultan Bahu a Sayyid? radyAllahu 'anhu
  4. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    You are mixing up chaudhary of the village with the araain chaudhary.
  5. Abu Fadl

    Abu Fadl Banned

    wadood araain are not called choudharies, jatts or gujars refer to themselves as choudharies.
  6. jaTTs are the baddest though :p If you're a kammi you'd better watch out! :D
    jaTT chaRiya kutcherii balleh vi balleh! :D


    Have there been any famous jaTT ulama/sufis from Indo-Pak?
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2008
  7. citizen

    citizen New Member

    H.U.Rahman mentions in his book 'A chronology of Islamic history 570-1000 CE' that the Jat or Zutt in Arabic had been living in lower Iraq, between Basra and Wasit since the days of the Sasanids. He also mentions that some authorities believe that European gypsies are descendents of Jats.
  8. YoungBrother

    YoungBrother Guest

    This jatt stuff is something adopted from the sikhs, and it should of stayed with the sikh as it just causes problems. some jatt people get too proud, some jatt people feel ashamed and many young people are not allowed to get married outside their kawm. And the blatent truth is that the jatt people are the ones who mostly enforce this sikh tradition.
  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    curiously, mawlana abu'l Hasan zayd faruqi raHimahullah, in his excellent biography of imam al-a'azam abu Hanifah raDiyallahu `anhu titled: 'sawaniH imam e a'azam abu Hanifah' that the imam was a jaTT!

    concerning the imam's lineage, his grandfather is mentioned as 'zawTaa' or 'zuuTaa'[1] in various books of history.

    mawlana zayd writes as a footnote:
    some research scholars have told me that the origin of the word zawTaa زوطى is actually zaT زط which is the arabicized form of jaTT; and jaTT are a well known ethnic group in india. many people of this ethnicity were settled around baghdad in the time of sayyiduna `ali karramAllah wajhah.
    and a second footnote:
    dr.muhammad hamidullah, the former professor of law at the osmania university in [hyderabad] deccan has written a footnote on the 23rd page of his paper titled 'Imam Abu Hanifah and the compilation of Islamic Law.'[2]:
    The word zawTaa could be possibly the arabicized version of the indian, 'jaTT' or the arabicized form of 'choTey' [meaning 'small' or 'junior' or 'minor'] because this latter word can be eithe zuuTaa or zuuTe
    [choTa or choTey]. some writers have said that it was choTey and probably a sindhi word.
    Allah ta'ala knows best.
    1. imam nawawi said that it was zuuTaa as in muusaa; and in the book 'Tabaqat al-Hanafiyyah' it says that zawTaa as in salmaa.

    2. imam abu Hanifah aur tadween e qaanun e islami.
    Last edited: May 30, 2008
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  10. azizq

    azizq Well-Known Member

    Im an Awan. Even Hadrat Sultan Bahu (radiallahuanho) was an Awan.

    Go to the following link, and once the page has loaded, next to where it says 'home' it says 'Hazrat Sultan Bahu'. Click on where it says hazrat sultan Bahu and scroll down to ancestry.

    Sorry i cant give a direct link because it only gives a link to the homepage.
  11. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Sidi Asif then you cannot be a jaTT, because I thought JaTTs were originally from the Sindh area and were descended from the southern Hindu tribes who migrated north. This is what the Hindu jaTTs around Delhi, Rohtak, Sirsa, Alwar, Ghaziabad, in India tell me.

    Are not Awaans originally a punjabi-pasthun mixed tribe from the Shahi dynasty, a Hindu dynasty that ruled Gandhara (present day Eastern Afghanistan, and Pakistan's NWFP excluding the Hazara region) and who then migrated into Punjab and settled in Mianwali and then all over northern Punjab including PoTohaar.

    How could therefore Awaans be JaTT?
  12. Wadood, in our family tree it says "Qutb-Shahi Awaan".
    Last edited: May 28, 2008
  13. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Sidi Asif which jaTT are you? Are you Virk, Buttar, Grewal, etc? Which one?
  14. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    I know of a Chishti Nizami Shaykh from the Punjabi district of 'Gujranwala'. His own shaykh's mausoleum is somewhere in some village in that district; and the land seems really beautiful
  15. abu nibras

    abu nibras Staff Member

    Admin Note :

    Sidi Ahle Sunnah - Your new user id is "Chishti Nizami". You have disabled private messages so I had to post this in public.

    was salam.
  16. As Hazrat Mufakkir e Islam says, "MaiN JaaToN ka peer hooN..!" I am a pir of the Jatts. i.e. many of his murids are jatts...
  17. I am a Panjabi jaTT but my mother tongue is poTohari! It is similar to Saraiki actually!

    I think those stereotypes are all true except or 5 and 3.
    Apart from sayyids (whose feet we kiss) we think we´re better than all other qawms! ,-)

    Putt jattaN de! Chak de!

    *does a bhangra dance!*
  18. Haha, more appropriately describes certain contemporary sunni factions than the poor jatts.
  19. Nah!!

    Your not the only one!
  20. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Some steroetypes of Jatts, and I hope they dont offend you Sidi Asif, are

    1) They are hot blooded
    2) They act by emotions and not their heads
    3) They do not like Araains (Chaudharys)
    4) They are too proud
    5) They are blood thirsty gangsters

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