Book Release : The Killer Mistake -A critique of Nuh Keller's "Iman, Kufr and Takfir"

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  1. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    i myself am an example of this. pre 2015, i was pro-keller and had accepted the widely-held belief (in the circles i was formerly associated with) that keller was a "confirmed Wali" of Allah. And then after I had read IKT and was exposed to his pseudo-ilm, I was initially impressed and convinced by his article. I had a negative perception of Ala Hazrat and believed the false belief that he was a "british agent."

    Little did i know.

    Eventually, someone introduced me to TKM after I was trying to talk this person out of hating deobandis. This person insisted i read TKM.
    So I decided to read it.

    By the time i was passed the first several pages, I was already convinced. The style of argument was very direct with pinpoint accuracy of quoting evidences and pointing out contradictions. And there was no double-speak, equivocating, nor verbal gymnastics. It was very clear and succint (unlike IKT which i realized later had all the aforementioned deficiencies).

    الحمد لله
    for Mawlana Abu Hasan and this work. This was the turning point which led me to fully leave deobandiyyat and recognize deobandis and their akabir for their true colors. (While reading TKM, i couldnt help it but send lanat upon the kafirs and their defenders). And it also led me on the path of appreciating Ala Hazrat and towards enlightenment.

    Lastly, a question i have:

    Does the fatwa of Hussam Al-Haramayn apply also regarding the English translation of the kufr statements from the original Urdu. As in, does it extend to those who participated in helping to write IKT (via translating the statements for the purpose of their defense-Faraz, Karamali, defending them directly- Keller, etc)? At the very least, they would come under "man shakka fi kufrihim wa adhabihim.." or no..?
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  2. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    I believe the contents page needs update- page numbers are out of sync from what I can see (just FYI for future editions)
  3. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    What an excellent book!

    Question- shouldn't this be translated into arabic? Considering how the arab scholars are unaware of the Deobandi fitnah. Or is there something of this nature already in existence in arabic? Due to it's clear and concise nature, it would surely be extremely useful to spread this amongst arab shuykuh as a warning with regards to the Deobandi group
  4. HasanM10

    HasanM10 New Member

    As-Salamu Alaykum,

    Typo on page 48, near top:

    "The 'nuance' that is ignored here is, mere denial is insufficient if it is proven that the person has uttered blasphemy or if he agrees that he has said such a thing. In which case, he will have expressely disavow such a thing and renew his faith. Strangely, Keller cites a concise Hanafi text, whereas Haytami's commentary accords more clarity."

    Should be "In which case, he will have to expressly disavow such a thing and renew his faith." Also maybe the wording, "In this case..." would be preferred instead of "In which case..."

    I haven't finished reading it but so far it has been an interesting and informative read. But one does wonder whether the Shaykh will consider publishing this and other Ridawi Press books. I recall there might have been one booklet available on Amazon, but it has long been out of stock.
  5. SaadSohail

    SaadSohail Well-Known Member

    Assalamu alaikum
    Something that I have discussed with some local ulema. I am attaching the relevant scans here as well from Fatwa Fazul Rasool.
    It would be great If Abu Hassan expands on this in his upcoming revised editon/version in sha Allah.

    1) The Birth of a Prophet After Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم is Mustahil Aradi and NOT mustahil Dhati.
    What this means is that Allah could have willed otherwise BUT since He has informed us of His Decree that Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم is the Last Prophets we know then that the birth of a Prophet after himصلى الله عليه وسلم WILL NEVER EVER be.

    2) The Pardon of Kafir is Mustahil Aradi and NOT mustahil Dhati (according to the Asharis).
    What this means is that Allah could have willed otherwise BUT since He has informed us of His Decree that mushrikeen will be in hellfire forever, we know the Pardon of a Kafir will NEVER EVER be.

    3) Nazir of Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم is Mustahil Dhati.
    What this means is that idea of his Equal is rationally absurd and intrinsically impossible.
    1) Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم is the last of the Prophets (seal of Prophets).
    2) To claim that there could be another Khatimul Ambiya (Seal of Prophets).
    3) is rationally absurd. Because Affirmation of (2) would imply negation of (1). (This also entails KUFR)
    4) This absurdity is similar to saying 2+2=5 or something is existent and NOT existent at the same time.

    I have expanded a bit on this here as well.

    Jazak Allah.


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  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    G.F. Haddad, Unenlightened Feminism - Critique of Amina Wadud,
    Excerpt from Sunna Notes II: The Excellent Innovation in the Qur'an and Hadith (2006).

    Page#215 (emphasis mine)

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  7. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    search the forum, it is an old and dead issue which has been answered.

    it is useless to talk to these hypocrites, because;

    a) disrespect and hypocrisy is in their upbringing

    the shair of shaykh sa'adi rahimahullah, which I quoted here, befits them very well.

    خشت اول چوں نہد معمار کج
    تا ثریا مے رود دیوار کج

    If a builder lays the first brick bent
    then the entire wall will rise slanted to the skies.

    their upbringing is the disrespect of RasulAllah alaihi afDalus salat wat-tasleem, and veneration and defense of their elders.

    b) or, if it is not from their childhood, then it is due to their bad company

    لَّا تَجِدُ قَوْمًا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ يُوَادُّونَ مَنْ حَادَّ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَلَوْ كَانُوا آبَاءَهُمْ أَوْ أَبْنَاءَهُمْ أَوْ إِخْوَانَهُمْ أَوْ عَشِيرَتَهُمْ ۚ مجادلة - 22
    You will not find the people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, befriending those who oppose Allah and His Noble Messenger, even if they are their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their tribesmen;

    so, bad company, and learning from hypocrites has destroyed their iman.

    c) or if it is not due to the above two then, it is only because;

    فَإِنَّهَا لَا تَعْمَى الْأَبْصَارُ وَلَٰكِن تَعْمَى الْقُلُوبُ الَّتِي فِي الصُّدُورِ
    (46 - الحج)
    So, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the bosoms, that are blind.

    read TKM, if you have not already, and then compare it with their questions/challenges.

  8. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    ok. that is a double negative.
    thanks for pointing out. we will fix it in sha'Allah in the next edition.

    wa's salam.
  10. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    As Salāmu ʿAlaykum Wa Raḥmatullāhi Wa Baraktu,

    There is an error on page 202. (see my last post):

    "If one says that the Prophet ﷺ passed away [young] even before he had facial hair, or that he lived in Tahert or denies that the Prophet ﷺ did not live in Tihāmah – such a denier will be executed as he rejects the Prophet’s (ﷺ) well-known attributes."

    Madinah Press translation by Aisha Bewley:

    Dar Kotob Ilmiyah translation by Gehan ʿAbdel-Raouf Hibah

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    Juwayni Veteran


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  12. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    irfan (faqir) welcome back to the forum and thanks to the link and comment on the recent Istigatha debate based on the snippets you have watched.

    You was advertising and praising Nuh’s article everywhere including this forum when it was released. Any comments after reading The Killer Mistake
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  13. Rizzykhan

    Rizzykhan New Member

    will this book ever be published in an actual book that we can buy?
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  14. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    On page 2 (page 7 of PDF) there are a few errors (bold font):

    This is also not without a precedent. Imām Ibn Ásākir is a famous Ĥadīth scholar and historian of the sixth century. He was a prolific author and many of his books are multi-volume works. Imām Dhahabi, lists some of the; in addition to scores of short works. His Tarikh is well-known, but he is more famous for m in his Siyar thus: Tārīkh Dimashq in 16,000 pages, Muwāfaqāt in 1440 pages, Áwālī Mālik in 1000 pagesTabyīn Kadhib al-Muftarī, in which he refutes false accusations against Imām Abu’l Ĥasan al-Ashárī.
  15. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    by the way, for those who ask if keller knows about 'The Killer Mistake' and if he's been sent it etc. - yes, he knows about it.

    it is up to him now to read it and take the appropriate action of either retracting and/or responding.

    it is very damaging to the ummah to release an article which is riddled with mistakes and fallacies and even sleight of hand and when this is bought to the authors attention [TKM, pdf p.90]:

    Does Keller have to answer anyone on Judgement Day? It remains to be seen whether he will make any amends for such heinous slander or follow the Deobandi lead and brush it away as a fly upon his nose.

    I don't understand what part of tasawwuf or the shadhili way it is to ignore a response? this is the honour of the Messenger sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam so a sufi shaykh should be indebted to anyone who corrects him - especially for something so important.

    I don't understand how getting involved in a debate which is beyond your grasp is part of tasawwuf but then ignoring any kind of response is also tasawwuf.
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    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

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    Aqib alQadri Veteran

  18. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

  19. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    yes i too was looking for it, but it seems to have silently slipped out of the website

    this is the new link to his official site: (if you type in, it redirects to this one)

    on the first page of a google search, if you type in iman + kufr + takfir + nuh keller, all you get is this link - - which has keller's article. the rest of the links are (bihamdillah, references to refutations of him, the primary being the killer mistake)

    3 pages of search results are all i ever see (mostly) and until three google pages, there is NO other link to the article written down by keller.

    well done and jazak Allah to all the brothers and sisters who publicized the rebuttal enough to gain popular search rankings, along with the obvious thanks to abu Hasan for refuting keller.


    please save the central mosque page if you need a reference to keller's original piece. i suspect that too might vanish soon.

    now i have a fiqh question for keller and mureeds - does a silent deletion count as tawbah and retraction?
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  20. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Perhaps the site is down. Let us just wait.

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