"essays" in the study quran and their authors (continued): Traditions of Esoteric and Sapiential Quranic Commentary - by toby mayer https://www.iis.ac.uk/people/dr-toby-mayer-0 enough said ---- Scientific Commentary on the Quran - by muzaffar iqbal https://mi.cis-ca.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzaffar_Iqbal ---- The Quran as Source of Islamic Law - by ahmad muhammad al-tayyib https://themuslim500.com/profiles/ahmad-muhammad-al-tayyeb/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_el-Tayeb (as one would expect from someone in his position, he's a scholar for egyptian and khaleeji interests of the powers that be) ---- The Quran and Schools of Islamic Theology and Philosophy - by mustafa muhaqqiq damad http://www.mdamad.com/Administrative and Academic Positions.html (it was necessary to tinker with the spelling a bit for "Ayatollah Mostafa Mohaghegh Damad") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostafa_Mohaghegh_Damad
these are the "essays" in the study quran: How To Read the Quran - by ingrid matson https://muslimskeptic.com/2020/11/10/ingrid-mattson-heart-pro-lgbt-muslim-network-distorting-islam/ (messed up connections to lgbt promoters) https://ingridmattson.org/about/ https://ingridmattson.org/wp-conten...-Ingrid-How-to-Read-the-Quran-Study-Quran.pdf (she has linked the essay on her website for download) ---- The Quran in Translation - by joseph lumbard (see post # 7 for bio; and google further on his heresies) ---- The Islamic View of the Quran - by muhammad mustafa al-azami https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Mustafa_Azmi (deceased devbandi for our info, but let's see him objectively in context of the TSQ sans the subcontinental Barelvi-devbandi issues) ---- Quranic Arabic: Its Characteristics and Impact on Arabic Language and Literature and the Languages and Literatures of Other Islamic Peoples - by muhammed abdel haleem OBE https://www.soas.ac.uk/staff/staff30518.php https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Abdel-Haleem ---- Quranic Commentaries - by walid saleh https://www.religion.utoronto.ca/people/directories/all-faculty/walid-saleh https://www.academia.edu/65869840/Death_and_Dying_in_the_Qurʾan?pop_sutd=false (do download and read his another shameful piece 'Death and Dying in the Quran' where he sounds like a low class atheist spewing some pseudo-intellectual gibberish, i only glossed over quickly and this much was enough for me. below citations from the Death and Dying in the Quran paper that this mardood wrote)
these are the contributors - the translators, editors, commentators to the study quran, according to the study quran: hosein "philosophia perennis" nasr - supervisor (editor in chief) - selector of the editorial board - selector of the essay authors - overseeing the style and scope of the commentary - https://religion.columbian.gwu.edu/seyyed-hossein-nasr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seyyed_Hossein_Nasr#External_links caner "holy cross" dagli - surahs 2-3, 8-9, 21-28 commentator and primary translator; editor for the remainder of "translation and commentary" - https://www.holycross.edu/academics/programs/religious-studies/faculty/caner-dagli (cdagli@holycross.edu - lovely!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caner_Dagli maria "hijabless shiite hag" massi dakake - surahs 4-7, 16-19 commentary; surahs 4-7, 10-12, 14-21 primary translator; editor for the remainder of "translation and commentary" https://religiousstudies.gmu.edu/people/mdakakem - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Massi_Dakake joseph "trinity is tawhid" lumbard - commentary for surahs 1, 29-114; primary translator for surahs 1, 13, 29-114; editor for remainder of "translation and commentary" - https://hbku.academia.edu/JosephLumbard - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_E._B._Lumbard - https://www.hbku.edu.qa/en/staff/dr-joseph-lumbard mohammed "institute of ismaili studies fellowship" rustom - commentary for surahs 10-15 and 20; edited other parts - https://nyuad.nyu.edu/en/research/f...ch-fellows/past-fellows/mohammed-rustom0.html - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Rustom - https://carleton.ca/religion/people/mohammed-rustom/ - https://www.mohammedrustom.com/ ------------------------------- so, for the actual "meat and potatoes" of the evil book, the people mentioned above are the contributors - 3 of 5 contributors are shite, one may be an ismaili or a sympathizer for them (just as an fyi, orthodox 12'ers consider ismailis as kafirs, but it seems that is irrelevant here 'coz these guys are perennialists meaning that even an orthodox 12'er with self-respect and worth his weight ought to REJECT these losers) a 4th one - caner dagli has a spine most hunchbacks would be envious of - to be a professor to be paid by the "college of the holy cross" - that clearly says: - https://www.holycross.edu/about-us/jesuit-catholic-tradition the 5th one - joseph lumbard, a former altar boy who supposedly converted to Islam, but believes that the trinity is tawhid and the Quran doesn't condemn traditional christian trinity! from his essay "The Quranic View of Sacred History and Other Religions" at the end of the study quran ------------ book reviews in western academia are one thing - as for the madrasas of our Muslim world (desi or not) - what is the ruling on taking "knowledge" from a source that is confirmed to be 60% shia AT BEST (the 3 people are worse than traditional 12'er rawafid by the rawafid's own standards) and 40% other heretics (mubtadi3i) at best? ------------ after the "translation and commentary" there are some 400-500 odd pages of essays next post - listing out the contributing essay writers with their bios (in sha Allah).
the above statement is similar to the sayings below: lumbard says that trinity could be considered as tawhid, and that is not the position of ahl al-sunnah wa'l jama'ah. nasr says that atheists can go heaven, and that is not the position of ahl al-sunnah wa'l jama'ah. firawn says that he is the god himself, and that is not the position of ahl al-sunnah wa'l jama'ah qadiani claims to be a prophet, and that is not the position of ahl al-sunnah wa'l jama'ah the israelites worshipped the golden calf, but that is not the position of ahl al-sunnah wa'l jama'ah.
one more thing to note is that not all of the verses of the qur'an need to be tampered with to peddle perennialist agenda. there are verses describing events, stories, about ahkam -the perennialist does not have to bother with any of those. all they have to do is tinker with the key verses - hamza tries to distract you from this reality in a vague "most of it is sound" generalisation. --- the questions hamza fanboys need to ask themselves is: 1. how many aayat of the qur'an have to be deliberately distorted to earn the title of muftari? 1, 2, 200? 2. is it acceptable to read a tafsir that deliberately and falsely translates and explains verses to contradict fundamentals of islam? if so what is the tolerance level? 1,2, 200? 3. (al-iyadhu billah) how many gods should one worship beside Allah to be deemed a mushrik: 2, 3, 5 million? 4. how many verses of the qur'an should one reject to be deemed a kafir? 1,2, 6266? ---- use this to measure hamza and his apology to the tahrif attempt of nasr the murtad.
hamza brazens out on this one. he effectively says that nasr is a good man, genius, wonderful human being etc etc. nasr is a murtadd, the most dangerous enemy of islam among academics in the west or the east. the next is this guy himself. this is known as the art of plausible deniability. if someone tries to corner him, he can easily deny that he didn't consider him a muslim. mark it, hamzah will probably say this AFTER nasr is dead - or perhaps not. hamza makes a statement without saying it. it is the art of spin that spokespersons world over practice and perfect. @ 0:40 hamza says: hossein nasr was the editor, so they went to very specific verses, to see how they... and then said..oh this is clearly a perennialist agenda. yes there are some perennialist comments in that book, though it should be pointed out, and that is not the position of ahl al-sunnah wa'l jama'ah. point that out, but the vast majority of the book, is not only sound but probably the single most useful resource in the english language for people who want to know what classical scholars say about these verses. common people are dumb and ignorant in our times and they won't be able to identify the nuanced attack by hamza the dajjal. he is more shameless than a pimp. (am sorry if it offends your senses - but you must can leave that one word and focus on the rest of my post if it sounds problematic to you) if hamza cannot ignore the word pimp in the post to dismiss my post, he should also have the ghayrah to not only reject TSQ but also refute it. but the bey-ghayrat promotes it in a mealy mouthed apology. ==== hossein nasr was the editor - so who is hossein nasr? does hamza consider him a muslim? does hamza consider him a perennialist? is nasr a perennialist? hamza neither has the courage nor the sincerity to answer it. but this clause is utterly STUPID - if the most prominent perennialist figure in the world is the chief editor of a book, common sense dictates that one can expect him to push his perenneliast agenda. trying to downplay it is like saying that by merely looking at the name of MEMRI one should not conclude that it is an anti-arab anti-muslim channel. let us rewrite hamza's doublespeak about hitler's mein kampf: adolf hitler was the author, so they went to very specific parts of the book, to see how he... and then said..oh this is clearly a nazi agenda. yes there are some nazi/fascist comments in that book, though it should be pointed out, and that is not the position of democrats. point that out, but the vast majority of the book, is not only sound but probably the single most useful resource in the german language advocating the rights of the jewish people and who want to know what classical scholars say about jews. does it seem sensible? if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is safe to assume it is a duck. if the names of authors had no bearing on the book, what is the point of even mentioning someone as the author of the book? if a book is written by dawkins, it is fair to assume he WILL try to peddle his atheist agenda. if you read a book by germaine greer, you can expect her to push her feminist agenda. however, this argument works when authors write about subjects that are not related to their personal belief. for example, if an atheist author writes a book on mathematics, it is not fair to suspect him/her of pushing their atheist agenda unless it is found inside. and suppose it IS found inside, academics will quickly devalue the work. for example, if a muslim author writes a book on physics and mentions islamic concepts - how many people will buy his book? or sell it as a phenomenally good physics text book despite the author's own belief inserted in the book? it will be considered as common sense to buy a physics text book without religious commentary. but a qur'an commentary with 'problematic' perennialist comments? it is the 'single most useful resource in the english language'. for future use, hamza did not say 'for muslims'. he can always repurpose his comments and say: "useful resource for perennialists" and he would be accurate about that description. ----- so they went to very specific verses, looks like hamza has never written an analytical piece about a book. captain obvious fell off his chair when he heard this comment. i didn't know that hamza was so ignorant that he has no idea of a quality control technique known as statistical sampling. from project management to manufacturing to software engineering to opinion polls - almost everyone does it almost everyday - you walk into a supermarket to buy peanuts, you are offered a sample. you go to buy a car you can go on a trial ride. when you try out a new dish, you 'taste' it before pouring/piling it in your plate. if it is too salty or spicy or bitter, no one says, "oh yes there is too much spice in it to be palatable, but let us enjoy this dish". sampling is ubiquitous and the most optimum method of industrial QC. from cars to pens to what-have-you. tests are conducted on batches and if the sample size x fails, the entire batch is rejected as defective and having failed QC. check this news item: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30997060/2020-toyota-recall-camry-avalon-rav4-engine-cracks/ toyota recalled 44k cars because SOME engines developed faults even though according to their sampling process, they expect fewer than 250 to actually fail - and that is 0.5%. [this is an example, so please don't bicker about errors in my citing numbers]. ----- and then said..oh this is clearly a perennialist agenda. captain obvious now sat up and said: OF COURSE! how else would you rate a book? on the basis of conjunctions and prepositions? oh this page has 50% of pronouns, conjunctions, prepositions and other parts of speech which do not have any bias in themselves. let us not focus on problematic parts. let us just count the pronouns. perhaps hamza has never read a book review. he must stop acting as if he some big bibliophile. every book review "samples" parts to decide whether it is good or bad. ---- yes there are some perennialist comments in that book, let us be practical. HOW MANY? how many verses have such comments? and how many verses according to your statistical sample can qualify TSQ to be a perennialist work? 5% 10% 25%? there are 6266 verses in the qur'an. how many verses should be mistranslated or misinterpreted to force hamza yusuf to declare that it will mislead the common public? general and vague statements to legitimise the crimes of perennialists is the same as: "oh look at the murderer's life - all he did was commit one murder" "oh look at that person, he preached tawhid all his life. he just committed one shirk - but these people ignore (read it in hamza's drawl) his tawhid and focus on one shirk.." that is hamza for you. genius. ------ though it should be pointed out, how? how exactly? and what is wrong with how we are pointing out that it is kufr and riddah? but hamza wants it to be pointed out nicely - with euphemisms and in a manner that will not make people abhor this satanic work. don't call it perennialist garbage. call it perennialist thought. the hindu terrorists killing and lynching muslims in india are 'activists' but muslims protesting against zulm are terrorists. ------ and that is not the position of ahl al-sunnah wa'l jama'ah. hamza is so good at it, that he doesn't have to even consciously try to do this. the unsuspecting listener is nudged cleverly from the islam/kufr objection to that of standard sunni position and heretical positions. of course, it is not the position of ahl al-sunnah NOR the position of ANY OTHER HERESY within islam. whatever in the TSQ is outright KUFR and clearly against islam as opposed to difference of opinion due to misinterpretation of the verses by heretical sects. PERENNIALISM is not a sect of islam. it is kufr. but hamza doesn't have the faith or the courage to tell you that. here, perennialist devils purposely and forcefully attempt to distort the very definition of islam, and hamza is making this out to be difference of interpretation. ----- point that out, but the vast majority of the book, is not only sound in a glass of milk there are only two teaspoons of lethal poison. point that out, but the vast majority of the glass is not only pure milk but also the best milk in the neighborhood. ------ but probably the single most useful resource in the english language for people who want to know what classical scholars say about these verses. this is again hamzah's own claim. just because the commentators claim to cite authorities does not mean that they have faithfully presented the views of classical scholars. once again how many examples would hamzah require to classify this as a distortion and 'perennialist agenda'? isn't this dishonesty and shameless promotion - maybe because of hamza's own contribution in the book and probably the royalties paid for this and if hamza was indeed paid (or receives royalties) from TSQ,then he is squarely under the implication of the verses: ---- ---- it is easy to make generalisations and vague claims about the greatness of TSQ. hamza must be objective: 1. how many verses have perennialist comments? 2. what percentage of perennialist comments would classify this work as perennialist tafsir? 3. how many instances of distortions of classical scholars citations would render this unreliable and inaccurate representation of the views of classical scholars? 4. are you willing to debate this on the basis of a third-party evaluation method such as the criteria mentioned in the below examples:* https://www.elsevier.com/connect/8-reasons-i-rejected-your-article https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10734-018-0318-2 hamza can write a paper on how the TSQ fulfils the criteria in the above methodologies and i will write a paper showing how it fails based on the above criteria. and in sha'ALlah, for a bonus, i will analyse hamza's paper for akribeia and he can do the same to mine. --- *of c the articles say WHY theses/articles are rejected and if they are not acceptable to hamza or his fanboys, let them choose ANY standard evaluation methodology and accepted criteria in western universities. wa billahi't tawfiq.
He clearly refuses to condemn perennialst interpretations as kufr in this video and again calls it tawil baeed. Then he says tawil baeed doesn't lead to kufr. Whoever doubts in their kufr... Then he says you can't make takfeer of an entire group. This is ridiculous - of course you can. The filthy qadiyanis are kuffar, each and every one without exception, for example. Hamzas fanboy asad Ali should be shown this video and be made to answer every point
