Imaam Asim Hussain & Youthway; Showbiz

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by Ethical_Barelvi, Mar 7, 2015.

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  1. Sacred

    Sacred Active Member

    I find it weird that we criticise all these dodgy characters then our scholars sit with them and we just fine with it.

    Why can't we just let them be in their sulla teams? If I was Asim I'd think these people are backward they cuss me on forums then their teachers and those who they look up to sit with me and they don't say nothing to them.

    Shouldn't scholars tell them off on stage if they do share platforms? If the likes of our scholars share stages with them please don't cry when sunni audiences end up in sulla kulli events.

    If we follow the rule of you can sit with them then You can't tell the awwam "don't go to Asim because he is sulla kulli! don't go the gateway or ninnowy event! they'll just say "you dumb? mufti and sheikh so and so just had event with him"

    2) scholars need to release an article or video telling people who the Sulla Kullis are. No point going on a big one about sh yaqoubi being sulla on here or in private, who will make a video?
    Let's not forget many took fame from him and encouraged many to do baat with him so they are the ones most responsible for saying something.
    Will they continue to watch these cult followers get destroyed whilst they themselves encouraged people to follow him. I understand they were not aware then but it's a clear danger now isn't it?
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2015
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  2. agent-x

    agent-x Well-Known Member

  3. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Do you have any information as to what basis they have done his takfir?
  4. agent-x

    agent-x Well-Known Member

    The Sunni ulama in SA have issued a fatwa on ninowy
  5. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    New fatwas everyday
  6. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    What are you talking about?
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  7. agent-x

    agent-x Well-Known Member

    Not read all the thread but Ive seen ninowys name pop up often.

    Asim is aware that Ninowy is dodgy.

    Someone who is close to Asim has also informed me that he is well aware of the fatwa of kufr on Ninowy - it was brought to his attention when he was in South Africa.

    I personally think Asim will not be attending any events with Ninowy saying that I have seen a Milaad Shariff event in SA where both Ninowys and Asims names are on the poster.

    Lets hope he doesnt go
  8. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

    I think mufti Shams ul Huda misbahi deserves some husn e dhan.
    Throwing his name in with the likes of Khalid and Asim is a bit unfair.
    The latter two especially Khalid has a proven track record of wishy washyness.

    But maybe someone should have contacted mufti Saab before hand to alert him of the fact that kafir Shias were sponsoring the event.

    I get where 'Sacred' is coming from though.
    If it can be proven that mufti Saab was aware of the Shia involvement then questions should rightly be raised.

    No one is above criticism and questioning, obviously through the right channels.
    (All the channels have been exhausted with Khalid before anyone says anything)

    But until then we should exercise some restraint.

    P.s same goes for mufti Zahid Hussain aswel.
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2015
  9. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

    1)There are sulah kullis.
    2)There are those who have sat with sulah kullis.
    3)There are those who have sat with those who sat with sulah kullis.

    Are the latter group really in the wrong?
  10. Musafir

    Musafir Active Member

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  11. Musafir

    Musafir Active Member

    Yes kattar is right if excuses are made for Mufti Zahid then by greater reason must be made for Mufti Shams - Mufti Zahid has shared platforms with Imam Asim Hussain and Abdoulaye Sawadogo
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  12. Sacred

    Sacred Active Member

    This is very strange when people have come into question for sitting with Sulla Kullis like mufti shams etc now suddenly people want to change what a sulla kulli is and say its thrown around too much

    Sounds abit dodgy

    This forum is full of calling people sulla kulli (rightly so) now that scholars we thought would be more careful have ended up in the same boat we are now trying to say the likes of Asims, khalids, sjaads and co are fine
  13. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Generally speaking, onus should be greater on the event organisers than on the participants.

    If event organisers claim to be sunni, then it is their responsibility to do due diligence on the speakers they are inviting. Firstly, organisers have time to deliberate and consult when they draw up the list of invitees. Secondly, if the speakers are being paid for their appearance, organisers have powers to pick who they want, what the topic should be etc. [On the other hand, invited speakers even when they find another deviant on the stage are probably not in a position (or principled enough) to storm out, leave their hosts red-faced and lose their appearance fee]

    Pirzada sahib (or the Jamia al-Karam team) can't be absolved of responsibility to do proper due diligence on each invitee. Excuse that individuals can have for not having information doesn't wash with bigger group of individuals.

    If, however, the organisers are known to be sullah kulli (or in past have invited dodgy speakers), then speakers who know the facts have the responsibility of avoiding such gatherings (unless there's good reason such as (1) in my last post).
  14. Adam Yahya

    Adam Yahya Active Member

    That's not what I said.

    However you are free to say what you want. I think my post was worded well enough to portray the meaning that was intended though, without causing any confusion.

  15. inquisitive

    inquisitive Well-Known Member

    So because Pirzada stopped inviting one person who insulted our Imam, it gives him a pass to do whatever he wants and the rest of his shortcomings are overlooked.

    Wonderful logic.
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  16. Adam Yahya

    Adam Yahya Active Member

    Please see my post below. As stated, it may be the case that Imam Asim and others do not believe certain individuals to be deviated in the first place. Your methodology makes sense to me (not saying that I would adopt it) but it goes out of the window in terms of working towards a solution if the one being quizzed doesn't believe he's done anything wrong to begin with.

    Jazakallah brother.

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  17. Adam Yahya

    Adam Yahya Active Member

    Another thing I'd like to make a point on is an observation I've made, and it's possible that some of the brothers on here may already have pondered over it, that perhaps not everyone views 'Shaykh X' as an innovator or deviant. I agree that some people's deviance is clear-cut, whereas, some other people's deviance is obscure, less apparent and, dare I say, even contended or not a deviance at all.

    I can guarantee you that those Sunnis who advocate and support scholars, whom most of this forum would probably willingly write-off as innovators and what not, are of the firm belief that those people are steadfast and free of any innovation or deviance. And chances are, they probably have their reasons and references to believe that as well. And it is becoming an even greater ground-reality nowadays that, today these decisions are made not based on what you know- but who you know. A common lay-Muslim is very likely to adopt the opinion on certain issues or people based on the word or opinion on someone they know, for instance, his friend, teacher or favoured scholarly personalities (whether these beliefs are correct is a separate issue).

    I am personally satisfied that Shaykh Pirzada Sahib is firmly upon the doctrine of Ahlus Sunnah. Going by their good relationship with Shaykh Ninowy it is fair to assume that, like so may thousands of others out there, they believe Shaykh Ninowy to also be upon the doctrine of the Ahlus Sunnah. And I know for a fact that if they had good reason to do so then they would break ties: only a few weeks ago I met a graduate of Jamia al-Karam who told me something remarkable. Many years ago a certain Shaykh, who was almost a regular speaker at the Gateway to Divine Mercy Conferences, gifted this man (who was a student at the time) a book (by one of his teachers or someone to such an effect) to read in his spare time. In that book, he found the author stating that Imam Hassan (ra) was (Na'udu billah) thirsty for the Caliphate. At once he informed Pirzada Sahib and the staff. There was some form of action taken and that person has never been invited since and all ties have been broken. That is good enough of an example for me that Shaykh Pirzada Sahib is unwavering in his doctrinal beliefs. And I'm sure if he had good grounds to believe it of someone else or, again we can only assume here, if he saw something that could be of future detriment then he would take some form of action and disassociate himself from such a person or group.

    And as for whether Shaykh Ninowy is deviated or not, well, that issue has probably been beaten to death on this forum. Do look it up if you care.

    And finally... Whichever of the scholars who have previously been attacked or labelled as being a sulla or a sympathiser, if you ask any of them they will out-right blast the corrupt beliefs of deviants such a deos, wahabis, salafis and the like. Surely a Sulli-kulli is that person who claims that everyone is right or everyone is on the true path and is rightly guided??? Do ask yourselves then, is this label of sull-kulli, as a few of the brothers have said, being thrown around indiscriminately without due care?
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2015
  18. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Yes I know. I was referring to others.
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  19. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    I think the "sullah kulli" label is being thrown at very indiscriminately and lightly.

    Disclaimer: I am not a fan boy or a supporter or even an acquaintance of any of these so called scholars. I am only making a general point (although I use few names here and there as a matter of example).

    Sullah kulli, to my mind, is one who has "openly" stated that there are no/minimal differences between different sects (i.e. every one is right), "openly" (and "regularly") associates with deviants/innovators and acts/practices contrary to the established sunni norms (while outwardly pretending to be one).

    As many reservations I have against these new mawlanas, I haven't heard Mawlana Asim/Khalid Husain etc. say that deobandis/deviants etc are equally right. In front of sunni audience, they openly disparage the deviants (I don't know what they say to mixed audience).


    It seems "sharing the stage" has become the sole yardstick for judging the maulvis.

    Each one of us probably works or studies; and unless you are in a Islamic country (or working solely within the Muslim community), you surely "work" with colleagues who are christians/hindus/jews/atheists. You share the workplace or common space, you interact with these others. I ask, does that make you a kafir? Does that make you a lesser Muslim?

    You may say that this is the nature of professional life, one can't pick and choose who they work with. Professional hazard, you may say. Fair enough, but spare a thought for the mawlanas who are also not in a position to choose/dictate who they run into at the stage or who they are going to share the event with. May be, same is the case with Mawlana Arshad Misbahi.


    I suspect the problem/issue with the latest crop of mawlanas is all or one of the following (in increasing order of graveness):

    1. they regularly address mixed audience, where it may not be judicious to talk about differences. Is that lack of courage or exercise of caution/tact? A lot of these interact with university students who are already besieged by salafis. Perhaps it's is not meet/appropriate to be polemical in such situations.

    Ghulam Yazdani (before he unwisely waded into kabbalah, inter-faith dialogues etc. and lost his way in the process) used to appear on Islam Channel (for the uninitiated, it is the Salafi channel broadcast in UK and other western countries). He would subtly talk about (or give) sunni point of view to viewers and questioners who asked him about bidah practices. He was the lone sunni representation on Islam Channel until he lost his way.

    Didn't Khalid Husain mention that he addresses univ students at least once a week? So too does Asim. It is often better to at least ensure that sunni voice is represented in such forums. They can't choose to dictate who else gets invited to speak with them. Alternatively they can choose to leave everyone to the mercy of salafi brainwashing machinery. I am not saying that aforementioned are doing a great job, but that they are probably constrained.

    I'm not at all plugged into the campus/univ life, so those who are can better tell what is being done, what's unavoidable, what's best suited approach.

    2. they are genuinely unaware of who else gets invited to speak with them. Most of the times organisers make last minute changes or these mawlanas are probably not conscientious/discriminating enough. They simply confirm their appearance without bothering to check/ensure who else is sharing space with them.

    3. they are genuinely unaware of the deviance of other participants. Remember not everyone has the luxury of trawling on youtube/google/sunniport to check the credentials/antecedents of all other invitees. One can give these a benefit of doubt for lack of information (not everyone has access to resources like ghulam etc. have)

    4. they probably shared stage or were close buddies/chelas of the dodgy, confirmed sullah kulli/perennialists/deviants etc. in the past, but have probably moved away from that. None of us in past knew the true colours of PAQ, Yaqoubi, Jifri etc.

    5. they are exercising poor judgement or are simply unaware/careless about how their association or mixing is being perceived by the sunni masses.

    6. they are simply in the speaking circuit for money (to make their personal ends meet) and are therefore guilty of placing worldly interest above everything else.


    Some of those labelled sullah kulli here are probably seriously dodgy, and some are probably not so. I am not interested in defending those who are frauds or poorly qualified.

    Before you shoot me, ask yourself what you are doing for tabligh. Before you stick labels have husn zann, until facts are fully established.
  20. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Bro there are comments made backing ustadh ul ulama mufti shams up. Look again
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