Irfan Shah Mash'hadi in the Tafzili/Rafizi camp

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  1. Waqar786

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  2. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

  3. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    We do have moratoria on debates in Ramadan on sunniport but this was posted today and is quite important for UK Sunnis.

     
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  4. Sunni Jaag

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  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    probably a new pakistan!

    pakistani Sunni ulema don't have the guts to publicly name and shame high profile deviants who claim to be Sunnis.

    they will talk for hours on end about anything. the only thing they won't do is state the hukm of the Shariah. It's a fine art that the ulema of pakistan have mastered!
     
  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    so is there going to be an official fatwa on irfan sahib?

    refuting him or trying to make him see reason - is all very well and can continue as long as required.

    but it's high time a fatwa was issued from some well-respected dar-al-iftah.

    padri continued to fool people until the God-fearing mufti sahibaan from wafadaar Hind finally punctured his hot air balloon and sent him crashing into the dirt.

    telling irfan shah sahib to "choose" and "consider" have been going on for almost a year now.

    what will it take to call a spade a spade?

    someone, afterall, will have to bell the cat.
     
  7. Sunni Jaag

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  9. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

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  10. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I used to think that irfan shah sahib is an immovable mountain - and now I am reminded of what will happen at the approach of Judgement:

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  11. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    No very long ago (2012 -2016): shia-chat discussion on pir irfan shah

    From the OP in the above thread, his speech at an event in defense of Sayyiduna Amir Mu'awiyyah (raDyiAllahu 'anhu):

     
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Sad to see shiah channels sharing Irfan Shah sahib's answer regarding Sayyidah Fatimah رضي اللہ عنھا being másūm or not.

    An equivocal answer if I ever saw one.
    Why can't our ulama speak clearly, directly and without ambiguity?

    Sayyidah Fatimah IS NOT másūm like the prophets. Anyone who believes she is goes out of Ahl al-Sunnah.
     
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  13. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    He seem so be enjoying rolling around in the filth in the pigsty as it is.
     
  14. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @shahnawazgm That's a fair assessment. JazakAllah for clarifying.
     
  15. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Well-Known Member

    With all due respect that is just the mufti's 'personal' opinion it has no root in shariat. For example you can hold your 'close ones' more respectful in your own eyes than a kaamil Wali of Allah. There is no harm in spite of the fact that the wali is more 'muqaddas' in Allah's eyes. And this will not affect your 'deen' in any way.

    But to make this part of 'iman' like Iran Shah is doing is what rafizis do.

    What I see is that since there is 'ijma' on the afzaliyat of Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (ra) the tafzilis are trying to form another form of 'ranking' to deceive the public. Such a ranking by the category of 'muqaddas' has no basis in Islam.

    If there is hadith stating that Bibi Fatima (ra) is the most beloved to our Nabi then there are also hadith stating that Siddique Ayesha (ra) is the most beloved. There is also one stating that Hazrat Abu Bakr is the most beloved. Now just tell the rafizis that Bibi Ayesha (ra) is the most beloved to you based on this information and then just observe their reaction!
     
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  16. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @shahnawazgm I understand where you are coming from but I just want to things to be contextualized. The Mufti Sahib is not a Tafdhli and later supported the release of Jalali Sahib and opposed the fatwa.

    Have a listen from 3 minutes 50 and let me know what you think?
     
  17. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Well-Known Member

    Is it part of Sunni Aqeeda that Bibi Fatima (ra) is the most 'muqaddas' after the Prophet (saws)? Has Ala Hazrat ever remotely mentioned something similar (pls note we are not talking about juzwi fazeelat).

    Let me slightly amend the statement for argument purpose and state "Bibi Fatima (ra) is more muqaddas than all the Prophets but our Nabi; however still the other Prophets are more afzal than her". Won't this be kufr?

    It is tafzilis who often love playing with such words. I haven't seen the video of the other 'mufti' and am not interested to do so, but whenever I hear such 'words' being played with it is an instant warning to me about that individual!

    The ones more 'afzal' are the ones more 'muqaddas' to Allah!
     
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  18. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran



    This has been discussed in the previous thread but only in relation to Mufti's sahib praise of Dr Tahir's position. Mufti Sahib mentions something similar to Shah Sahib but clarifies too.
     
  19. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @shahnawazgm I remember listening to a clip which is on the khata thread from Mufti Tahir Tabassum Rizvi in which he raises objections to Jalali Sahib's statement. He mentions something similar by saying 'muqaddas', it's not talking about afdhaliyat but rather that Syeda Fatima is the most praised after the Holy prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) or words to that effect.
     
  20. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Has he said a single word against shias in last 8 months? Irfan Shah has gone to dogs. If he doesn't see sense, he will end up being raised with swines.
     
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